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EdwardT
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Because of pre existing conditions, I had no hope of ever getting health insurance again, unless I was completely broke. So no hope of trying to build a future as I would be one more hospitalization away from bankruptcy. Which has happened to me twice. By the third time, I was poor enough to qualify for help.
Look up the cost of such things are MRIs in other countries. A couple of hundred dollars, versus 1000s here.
Profit doesn't belong in healthcare.
I'm glad you now have coverage. Obamacare or not, I support laws requiring insurance companies to take everyone. Those with pre-exisiting conditions should pay more. But not at prohibitively high rates.
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John M
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Thanks.. my point is that hopefully we don't go back to what was. The past wasn't that great for many people.
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Norton
Social climber
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I support laws requiring insurance companies to take everyone. Those with pre-exisiting conditions should pay more.
then thank you for your support of the ACA
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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The awesome deductible they have been getting will be gone, forced out by the new law. Google "Cadillac plan".
dude I have a Cadillac plan but not next year.. thank-you!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Are there any conservatives here that can tell me how Obamacare was passed though Congress- and I mean, really passed?
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Those with pre-exisiting conditions should pay more. But not at prohibitively high rates."
So how exactly are these higher rates the fault of Obama...or even Congress?
These rate increases are due to the actions of profit-driven, private corporations. No federal price controls, whatsoever.
You get so twitterpated about Obamacare as though it's a total gov't takeover. It's nothing even remotely resembling that (much to the chagrin of many).
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed.
My main concern with Obamacare is it contained major flaws from the start. Foreseeable flaws. Now we're starting to see those flaws. Co-ops are shutting down. Premium increases are worse than before Obamacare.
Craig et al want to blame it on the GOP, even though the Republicans unanimously (one exception) opposed the law. When the Repubs dropped support, why didn't the Dems remove the Repub concessions? Perhaps a number of Dems wanted those concessions. Or maybe they were too lazy to go back and get it right. I don't know. But it's a stretch to blame it on those who voted against the law.
Are there any conservatives here that can tell me how Obamacare was passed though Congress- and I mean, really passed?
It passed the Senate with a filibuster-proof majority and the House with a simple majority.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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These rate increases are due to the actions of profit-driven, private corporations
this is why they should have named it AIR affordable Insurance reform..
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I'm on the phone with Covered California at this very moment...my rates actually decreased for the coming year for the same plan!
Thank you, Obamacare!
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Joe Lieberman was the blue Dog that wanted all that crap and would not allow a Public Option that would keep the prices low from completion
Lieberman was OWNED by the big Insurance Companies of Delaware
Most laws that are problematic are fixed by Congress
The Repubs will not allow any fixes to it because they want it to fail
It's as simple as that.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Sketch...high road...LOL
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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EdwardT- that's how it played out, pretty cut and dry.
However; the reality is, the Republican leadership horse traded Obamacare for the extension of the Bush era tax cuts.
Olympia Snowe, inexplicably voted in favor of the Affordable Care Act legislation, moving it out of committee and onto the full Senate. She later voted against the bill once passage was assured.
I bring this up as an example of how the RNC plays the fuk out of their low to middle income constituents.
Every year, during the primaries the RNC ball-cups the crazies "Mexican rapists and middle school science teachers are tearing at the fabric of our society!".
Then during the general they ball-cup the independants- "How about some school vouchers and investment write-offs?"
And once they get in office, all pretense is out the window-they crawl all over each other to gargle corporate sack.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Oh yeah, you can pick these up online...
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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EdwardT- that's how it played out, pretty cut and dry.
However; the reality is, the Republican leadership horse traded Obamacare for the extension of the Bush era tax cuts.
Olympia Snowe, inexplicably voted in favor of the Affordable Care Act legislation, moving it out of committee and onto the full Senate. She later voted against the bill once passage was assured.
That's an interesting interpretation. This is the first I've heard Obamacare for extending Bush era tax cuts. So, the unanimous opposition to ACA was just window dressing? What did Obama get out of the deal?
Snowe never agreed to vote for the final bill. I doubt there's connection between her lack of support and the Dems getting 60 votes.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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How bad do you think the Republicans wanted those tax cuts extended? How bad did Obama want the Affordable Care Act?
Total backroom deal-follow the time-lines.
I guess I need to be more specific. Obama signed a bill extending the Bush Era Tax cuts around the same time the ACA was passed (I believe, shortly after).
Of course there was the obligatory whining from some of the Liberal Democrats about the bill but they were in on it as well.
Everyone got what they wanted and everyone got some cover except for Olympia Snowe, who I believe retired right after these events.
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Bad Climber
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I'm sorry, but this flat-out busted me up:
Contractor:
And once they get in office, all pretense is out the window-they crawl all over each other to gargle corporate sack.
Astute yet raunchy. What's not to like!
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Obama ran on reforming health care, kept his promise as much as was possible. Gotta have votes in congress, votes take horse trading.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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How bad do you think the Republicans wanted those tax cuts extended? How bad did Obama want the Affordable Care Act?
Total backroom deal-follow the time-lines.
Again, what did Obama get out of the deal (from the Republicans)?
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Can you imagine a Republican taking this issue on?
Not a chance. We'd all be as fooked as we were before the ACA, with absolutely no intention whatsoever of doing anything about it.
But you can bet we'd be headed into another war, somewhere!!!
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