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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 18, 2012 - 03:51am PT
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Praying Not as Effective as Doping It in Tebow's Case.--Merced Post
On doping:
“The riders will play by whatever rules are there. The rules can be improved. Part of that is using science; power outputs, strain gauges. I don’t think we need to suspend people for using Rogaine; it’s the big, massive oxygen drugs we need to push out of the sport, so people can actually have a chance to win the race without having to dope themselves to the max.”
---Greg Lemond, ADD sufferer, 10/06/12
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/new/must-hear-greg-lemond-speaks-out-in-wide-ranging-interview-on-irish-radio_256161
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 18, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
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JUST HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED AND HOW OFTEN?
I would like some of those folks who have admitted to doping to post their doping regimens.
I would also like Lance Armstrong to do the same, if he ever gets around to admitting it.
I want to know how much, what type and how often the drugs or procedures were utilized.
Let's see some controlled studies of the physiological benefits (or lack thereof) which accrue from using these techniques.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Oct 18, 2012 - 11:53pm PT
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who was the climber from the stonemaster era who was on the juice?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 20, 2012 - 11:35am PT
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^Thanks
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Oct 20, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
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I wonder how badass these guys could've been if they had doped?
and then there's this guy. What do ya think, did he dope too?
and don't forget this 1-off wonder of the 84 games.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 20, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
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I jucied.
I addmit it
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 20, 2012 - 12:23pm PT
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I wonder if Pharmstrong (new one on me) has developed a case of Romnesia?
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Oct 21, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
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Armstrong's 2001 sample was suspect but not positive, says head of Lausanne lab
By: Cycling News Published: October 21,
Lance Armstrong provided a suspicious doping control at the 2001 Tour de Suisse but did not test positive for EPO, according to Martial Saugy, the director of the Lausanne laboratory which carried out the tests.
Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton both testified to the US Anti-Doping Agency that Armstrong had told them that he had tested positive in Switzerland in 2001 but that the UCI had covered up the result. The UCI has denied any such collusion.
Speaking to AFP, Saugy said that Armstrong did not test positive for EPO but his sample was one of the three from the race to be flagged as “suspect." As an "important competitor," Armstrong was called before the UCI to provide an explanation. Armstrong returned another such suspect sample at the Dauphiné Liberé in 2002, which was analysed by a different laboratory.
“There was no positive test on the Tour of Switzerland in 2001,” Saugy told AFP. “Armstrong had another suspect result during the 2002 Dauphiné Liberé. The politics of the UCI at that time, if there was such a result involving an important competitor, was to meet them and ask for an explanation. That was their approach to prevention.”
Saugy said that it was only in 2002 that he realised that Armstrong had been among the riders who had returned a suspect sample at the Tour de Suisse.
“The UCI said to me at the end of June 2002: 'we warned the rider for whom you had a suspect result in 2001, he gave another suspect return at another lab and he would like to know by which method it was tested,'” Saugy said. "The rider was Armstrong. It was then that I learned about it."
Saugy also noted that while Armstrong’s sample from the 2001 Tour de Suisse was suspicious, from a legal standpoint, it would be difficult for USADA to consider it as a positive test.
“There's no way today that this could be defended as a positive result, it's impossible," he said. "Since 2003, procedures oblige taking into account the risks of a false-positive which could verify that urine had not been affected by the physiology of the cyclist or degraded by bacteria.
"This was not done at the time and the urine no longer exists because the rules did not require keeping it."
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 21, 2012 - 03:52pm PT
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If its necessary to have an 'anti-doping' agency because all the top athletes are doping then the whole activity is doomed and so corrupted by money as to make policing it a futile and pointless affair. Why bother? Who cares? And it's just another reason why it's so unfortunate formal competition and money have come to climbing as a side 'benefit' of gyms.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 21, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
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bears repeating and probably better than any side benefit of Jim Jones!
another case of the juice gone wrong
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apinguat
Trad climber
kingfield, me
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Oct 22, 2012 - 09:08am PT
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Don't get too excited. last time they left the name blank a year later it was back in there. he was the best of the dirty.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 22, 2012 - 09:35am PT
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Just wait for the movie... LA will be rolling in cash...
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Oct 22, 2012 - 02:41pm PT
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All cycling has done is to make their own sport completely irrelevant. So, who won those 7 TDF's now anyway? What a f*#king joke.
Curt
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 22, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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Yeah, like any of the top 10 finisher's wasn't doping...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 22, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
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Again, when all the top riders doped, the only conclusion of note that matters is we should not want our sport corrupted by money and sponsorship as the progression is both obvious or natural. Either that or all sports should say who gives a f*#k and let people do what they want because when sports need policing they long ago stopped being sport. Masturbatory handwringing over this sort of thing, while entertaining, is basically pointless.
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Radish
Trad climber
SeKi, California
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Oct 22, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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Okay, Touche', its time to move camp over to Major League Baseball eh.............
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 22, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
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This is all a steaming crock of bullshít unless Eddy Merckx is stripped of his five Tour wins...
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