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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 15, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
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Hey Cowboy Getty-Up
It's always proud when scripture is quated on the taco.
But maybe ur reason is misconstrued.
These sentences were written by men, 3500 yrs ago. I hope you read on to understand how God delt with mans inequitys.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
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I guess I don't really understand your wording: "get where their at." Is this some type of jive speak? Does Gawd speak jive? I hope so, because I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU. Have faith though, Gawd might help you out in the spelling/English dept.
Gawd doesn't seem to deal much with man's inequity: read here http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3220.
OOhhhh! I see, you meant to write iniquity. Well as far as Gawd dealing with the iniquities of man, I suppose that female genital mutilation, cocaine-addled child soldier cannibals, etc in Africa really don't speak to Gawd's caring or not caring. I really need to read the Book to see just how equitably and rightly Gawd deals with evil and badness, right? But I gotta say, Psalm 32:2 "Blessed is the man against whom the LORD counts no iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no deceit," sure sounds a lot like a selective accounting by the big G for iniquities and the like. Does this mean that pedophile priests get to go to Heaven?
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
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Ok. You can have your voodoo gobbledeegook fairy tale. I will stop bumping it up. I hope you do the same: I hate to get all ugly on you, but damn, this stuff is not really fit for public forums. Please keep yer mumbojumbo to yerselves. You don't hear me talking about my god, the one true god, his carb-laden goodness the ol' FSM, unbidden.
My apologies if I've offended you. Seriously though, this is hardly the place for proselytizing.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
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So why is it acceptable to beat up or make fun of Christians, but not Moslems? Why is there no Moslem hatred here?
There is a good Jewish thread someplace, but at least it is mostly in good fun.
My 93-year-old mom was recently diagnosed with cervical cancer. Today she had a full-on hysterectomy, and she came through with flying colours. And [barely] without flying puke.
So it would appear God still has plans for her, and for that I'm thankful to Him. So there's today's profession of faith. Yay for God!
However as a Woman of Great Faith, she had already resigned herself to His Will, and was pretty cool about the whole thing. Plus, I think she felt better when I told her I had no problem with the surgeons removing all that stuff, because I had no further use for it. {wink}
And I pray for comfort to the families of those hurt and killed in Boston.
In Him,
PTL and PTP Pete
As per below, I'm a big fan of Proverbs.
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
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April 15: HEART HELPER
“LORD, Thou hast heard the desire of the humble: Thou wilt prepare their heart, Thou wilt cause Thine ear to hear” (Psalm 10:17). “The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good... Hell and destruction are before the LORD: howmuch more, then, the hearts of the children of men?... The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honor is humility” (Proverbs 15:3,11,33).
Before a word is even spoken, The Lord by His examination Can hear the humble heart that’s broken That will desire His salvation.
The Lord has searched our deepest part; His eyes are found in every place. No thought is hidden in our heart That God does not completely trace.
The Lord can see that we’re inclined To walk in darkness and to stumble, And therefore He instructs our mind To turn from pride and to be humble.
It is His fear that gives instruction, To sense accountability, To free us from our pride’s seduction, And turn us in humility.
We see the wonder of God’s love That causes Him to thus prepare Our hearts that we may dwell above, That where He is,we may be there.
The horrible alternative To heaven is eternal hell. Our Savior died that He might give By grace a place with Him to dwell.
The Lord is helping hearts today To turn to Him in true surrender. He thus prepares our hearts to pray, That He may be our soul’s Defender.
O Lord,we thank You that You search And help our hearts to come to You, And thus You’re adding to Your Church The humbled souls of those who do.
So teach us in our fleeting days To show to others what You gave: The grace that surely does amaze Our hearts that You have stooped to save!
http://quiettimepoems.blogspot.com/
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 15, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
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Does this mean that pedophile priests get to go to Heaven?
I'd have to say that it would take a God with a supernatural amount of mercy (not getting what we deserve), and an equal amount of grace (getting what we don't deserve) to accept someone like that:
Luke 23:39-43 KJV
"And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other (insert the "pedophile priest" here) answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."
You have an awesome God cowboy.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Apr 15, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
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yes, all you fellas with faith in Gawd will statistically live longer, happier lives for it. good on you. enjoy that.
i like the idea that there is something greater, sure. but i don't dare to assume that my tiny little mind could describe that greater essence or to blargle about it to other folk. except now. cause i am doing it back to you.
this is fine. we can keep the thread and still disagree, right? i don't hate you for your beliefs, i am just kinda over hearing about them. it's like that roommate you had in college who always just jacked it waaaaay too much. i'm sick of hearing you boys slap your Christ-meat around. i'ma start slapping my non-Christ meat back atcha, fair?
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Apr 15, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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seriously though, what's up with the doodoo cakes? anyone 'splain that to me? i mean i wouldn't do that to *anyone*. a little context might be nice, because you know i didn't read it.
how is this book not deemed profane? i mean the things it describes are far worse than the material of many books that were blacklisted in the years of yore. do you folks let your kids read this stuff?
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Apr 15, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
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if there were muslims slammin' the allah sausage in my face, i would be teasing them too. at least they have a cool proposed afterlife. why doesnt the big j throw me some incentive, and i mean real reward. like virgins. or a pile of drugs the size of k2. a corvette? something would be nice.
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 15, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
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good on you. ,.
Not any more:
1 Corinthians 2:1-4, 14 KJV
"And I, (cowboy), when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:"
"But the natural man (cowboy) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he (cowboy) know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Do what you know cowboy,
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 15, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
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if there were muslims slammin' the allah sausage in my face, i would be teasing them too. at least they have a cool proposed afterlife.
there's a distinct difference though.
while both consider you a heathen and bound for hell,
one considers it his duty to convince you to change your ways of your own free will,
and the other,
to send you to your eternal punishment as soon as quickly and painfully as possible.
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MisterE
Social climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
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I Like the Christian Life
Yeah, well - I am a student of history, and it ain't looking too rosy from here, Pal.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:56am PT
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i dunno fellas, i'm just really knott all that convinced here: sure yusuf might slit my throat if i don't join him but at least he'll kick me some real share of the prophets [sic]. when christ can offer me some virgins, when god actually gives a damn, when his omnipotence is not such a bullshchick Viagra act, when you boys can actually convince me that the universe truly thinks we're as special and worthwhile as you Christian fecks seem so sure....well then maybe i'll kiss yer pope's ring or eat the soggy cracker or whatever you guys do. at least with yusuf all the prostrating towards the East is kinda like yoga. and besides you dogs do lust after me lady if i don't keep her covered.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:12am PT
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mormon or methodist, muslim or whatever, all you want is my money. and to feel better about whatever makes you feel bad in life. so go on, take yer story and run with it. but ye gits none of my funds. unless i get seven virgins and a corvette in my next go 'round.
well, wait, i've done some things that i regret; maybe you can help me after all. do you folks still offer those nifty little Indulgences?
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troutbreath
climber
Kanada
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:36am PT
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"Better to give than recieve" can mean a few things. Depends were your standing.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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While foul people have on occasion used Christianity to enrich themselves or wreak injustice on others;
The vast majority of Christians are good people using a perfectly good faith to enrich their lives.
This includes many of our good friends here in this forum.
So why not be friendly and grant our Christian friends this thread to express their joy, post their favorite biblical passages, and what ever else is positive about this great faith that has brought civilization to the Western World.
There are many other threads for doubt, arguments of logic, and pointing out flaws and contradictions.
While I am not a Christian, I can respect those who use this faith to make their lives better. I would fight to the death to defend their freedom to choose this path. I think you would too.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Apr 16, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
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nutjob
Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
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Apr 16, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
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I think the main thing that attracts attacks against Christianity, other than the foul things that have been done its name, is that it fundamentally uses a divisive crutch to create a special identity for a group of people.
Why not keep all the socially constructive values of a religion (friendliness and brotherhood and charity etc.) and dump the socially destructive parts (identity creation through making a distinct group with a set of specific beliefs and language that excludes others).
The bottom line for me is that religions take the easy way out, exploiting a common weakness in people, the need to belong, and using that weakness to lean against each other in a self-supporting group that has the side-effect of rejecting others not in that group.
I would prefer to support a social system that does not require the exclusion or demonification of others to create a sense of security or belonging. I don't need to make everyone believe like me to know who I am or what is right or wrong for me.
Sorry if it's all been covered here already.
Edit: All that said, I don't really have an issue with people who choose Christianity as a way to bond with each other. In a uniform society it works well, and I think most people don't have the specific intention to exclude others, they are just grasping for straws to have a meaningful connection with each other. I think that is a beautiful thing. For me personally, I worry about the side effects of exclusivity or requirements for being accepted as equals, and I can follow a different path to get to the same place.
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