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Gene
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I doubt that OBL was properly Mirandized.
EDIT for benefit of following post: Sarcasm? K? Responding to the "He was unarmed" comments.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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they should have kept him alive and thrown him overboard with lead weights from the aircraft carrier. the obama waterboard treatment.
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jstan
climber
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"I was not aware the Barack was on TV regards this Bin Laden episode.
For those who watched, what did Barack have to say about 9/11 with
this episode?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsIBEPZSpWc&feature=related
John Moosie provided a link to yahoo I watched that night.
I watched the one shown above and no change was apparent to me.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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I think that they are relaying the story that Osama was unarmed when he was shot for propaganda reasons (true or not). If Osama is seen to have gone down as a warrior, AK-47 in hand and fighting America's most elite commandos, then others will want to replicate his glorified martyrdom. The story of his wife throwing herself in front of gunfire to save an unarmed man who was clearly not fighting to protect himself after a 40 minute gun battle is not heroic to a masculine culture. While it may look bad for us to have killed an unarmed man to western cultures, many others will simply see it as a weak man going down in a way unbecoming a warrior. That, I think, is the point of perpetuating this story.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Further more OBL said . . .
"Well, Ok, yes I did know that the DoD, and all the Armed Forces of the USA were gonna play war games, playing and acting out the very scenerio we pulled off on them on 9-11-01, which was crashing airliners into buildings.
Hey, I'm CIA aren't I? I'm in the loop. They keep me informed. I'm on a need to know basis. Brilliant huh?
Further more, I asked the DoD and US Armed Forces to lock down and ignore all protocal for hi-jacked airliners flying into restricted airspace and they did. Man, I still got it. I am the man. And to think I did this all from a cave in Afghanistan, and my men were only using boxcutter knives. Absolutely brilliant and to top it off under budget!"
There will never in the world be another brilliant war strategist such as OBL. The War Colleges should study his strategic brilliance the world over. (sarcasm)
Simply amazing.
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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It might be worth noting that OBL did not achieve his primary objective, which was to get US troops out of Saudi Arabia. Although I bet he was mighty surprised when his estranged Daddy's friend managed to get Saddam and have him swing.
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monolith
climber
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You are ignorant Klimmer. You don't even know that knives with 3-inch blades were allowed on board. And that cave thing is ridiculous.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Oh, so now they were using 3 inch knives? And OBL was calling in all the moves, and staying abreast of the mission from Rumsfeld's office in the Pentagon?
lol
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monolith
climber
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Yes Klimmer. Knives, box cutters, mace and fake bombs. Educate yourself Klimmer.
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jstan
climber
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What is coming through is that there is absolutely nothing a non-republican president can do to satisfy certain people.
Americans are copying the cultures of the middle east. Even just reading some of the posts in this thread makes it apparent we soon will have Americans advocating stoning as a method of capital punishment. In a mere ten years we are already at the point of putting heads on pikes.
Not that far to go.
Emergency legislation suspending the US Constitution, as was done in countries of the middle east, has been a dream for some.
This is where the insanity is leading us.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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It's really somewhat amazing the degree that the Internet has enabled the resurgence of deliberate ignorance, flat-earthers, and an endless array of cults of misguided belief. Then again, why should it be any different than TV as far as pandering to the lowest common denominator? Who knew reality and facts could so easily be drowned in imagination and lunacy?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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It might be worth noting that OBL did not achieve his primary objective, which was to get US troops out of Saudi Arabia. Although I bet he was mighty surprised when his estranged Daddy's friend managed to get Saddam and have him swing.
actually in a surprising capitulation, Bush made significant troop changes in Saudi Arabia after 9-11
"Prior to 9/11, military deployment strength in SA was typically at or above the 10.000 range, not including contractors (and, depending on periodic exercises conducted, probably peaked at around 17,000). By Oct., 2002, that number had dropped to about 6,000. By the time the invasion of Iraq had started, the UN resolution was in place, so the U.S. had permission from the Saudis to continue some operations out of Prince Sultan, but, those were limited and destined to be short-lived, since the intention--since the winter of 2001-2--was to take Iraq and use that country as a primary Middle Eastern base. By Apr., 2003, in the first days of the invasion, the number of military personnel in SA was down to 5,000. As I said, US military presence in Saudi Arabia was reduced, beginning after Sept., 2001.
The U.S. military did not, as you suggest, begin to reduce deployment in SA only after Apr., 2003. It began in piecemeal fashion almost immediately after the 9/11 attacks, and continued through to the invasion of Iraq. ..."
in April 2003 even more significant numbers were removed from SA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm
"The United States has said that virtually all its troops, except some training personnel, are to be pulled out of Saudi Arabia.
The decision was confirmed by US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld during a joint news conference with Saudi Defence Minister Prince Sultan......
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Great, our SEALS shot an unarmed man. Nice mission but I am going to have to second guess them.
Kind of a shame that they gave an old sick guy in instant, probably painless death in battle just the way he always said he wanted it. The military said they shot him twice in the head, the second time to make sure he was dead. That was compassionate of them but why?
That's not suffering. If you really want to punish Bin Laden you make him sit in your jail and courtroom, that's the real belittling humiliation.
But they must have been nervous about that. Bin Laden would probably talk about the origins of AL Queda with the CIA fighting soviets in Afghanistan, an uncomfortable fact we don't like. Easier to kill him, and now there will certainly be a conspiracy theory that he was already dead years before.
Time will tell.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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What is coming through is that there is absolutely nothing a non-republican president can do to satisfy certain people.
Americans are copying the cultures of the middle east. Even just reading some of the posts in this thread makes it apparent we soon will have Americans advocating stoning as a method of capital punishment. In a mere ten years we are already at the point of putting heads on pikes.
Not that far to go.
Emergency legislation suspending the US Constitution, as was done in countries of the middle east, has been a dream for some.
This is where the insanity is leading us.
What exactly are you saying, John? Be more concise and to-the-point.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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karl wants everyone to sing kumbiyah! hold hands and skip around the playground together.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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What is coming through is that there is absolutely nothing a non-republican president can do to satisfy certain people.
Americans are copying the cultures of the middle east. Even just reading some of the posts in this thread makes it apparent we soon will have Americans advocating stoning as a method of capital punishment. In a mere ten years we are already at the point of putting heads on pikes.
Not that far to go.
Emergency legislation suspending the US Constitution, as was done in countries of the middle east, has been a dream for some.
This is where the insanity is leading us. What exactly are you saying, John? Be more concise and to-the-point.
I can't imagine John being more concise and to-the-point then he already was. Best post today!
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dirtbag
climber
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Karl,
You sound like a terrorist to me, your beef with the US is hand in hand, almost word for word with Bin Laden.
1.Do you approve of suicide bombings of innocents?
2.Do you feel that suicide bombings are justified because of US collateral damages in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yes or no, Karl.
I hope you're not being serious.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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I already answered you "No" to your original question further back in the thread Coz.
I don't approve of suicide bombings against civilians under any circumstances.
I do, however, understand them. It's nobody's first choice of a response so it's important to take note when a group becomes that desperate.
and I also don't approve of illegal unjustified wars based on Lies. It's one sided and hypocritical to only consider the offenses of others and not question the behavior of yourself and allies.
People (Bush, Cheney, Etc) should be in Prison over the Iraq war. They knew there were no WMDs and lied to go in for power, oil and Israel. Isn't killing hundreds of thousands that never attacked you also a crime?
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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I sure wish they would release that helmet cam video. It would be nice, for once, to have some confirmation that a military operation is what it said it was
(after the repeated lies about so many operations in the past number of years...Jessica Lynch, Pat Tilman, Saddam's statue, and numerous Iraq and Afghan civilian killing incidents)
Peace
Karl
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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One must be patience for the final debriefing on the raid: "fog of combat”.
Still will be couple of days out. Wednesday/Thursday maybe or by the end of the week US[Washington]should be close with all the right answers.
Watching this for the last couple of days: Fun to see how things get out of hand at first [normal]. But will wait it out.
Couple of missed and understand out of control answers, goes with the territory, Was it a blue or white shroud he was buried out to sea? Was it the wife or another's [courior].
How many days/weeks/months did it take when the Towers came down before conspiracies’and nut jobs came out of the woods. Who's on first?
But they have brought up prior read to the raid that is of interest, agents or spotters smuggled or trekked in watching the compound, which would make sense [spotting tunnels and of the such around/outside on connected compounds] on Bin Ladens compound, where did they go after the mission, fade into the abyss or chopped out?
Will have to wait for answers and wait and wait for the 50 books on the adventure, then TV, then the movie? You think the "Three Tea" book is slanted.
Then again giving strategic or defensive moves to carry on the next mission which I agree need to be not answered.
Need to let the storm pass to see the light. Then again maybe half the light.
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