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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 08:57pm PT
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Why don't you look it up? :)
No, not from sources. In fact, he has said next to nothing as he parties in the White House tonight.
Maybe he won't criticize buddies? Like unions, Islamic thugs, and green-energy grifters....
And you thought Bush was bad. I laugh robustly, man. You just will never bring yourself to admit what is totally obvious to Americans now.
And I fing that kinda weak on your part. I try to be honest with myself. When I'm betrayed by my party I call it out. When I see Repubs being corrupt, I call it. You just can't do that with your lib reps.
Disengenuous and downright distrustful. You're a shame to reasonable discourse. You cannot have it. You twist it constantly for your own personal gain.
I find it disgusting. It's the worst kind of common discourse.
And the shame is you claim that libs/Dems are immune to this. You're a shame.
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 09:03pm PT
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Keep it up, Matt and DMT. Without links to disput my claim, you are the idiots.
Where did Obama call on Gaddaffi to step down and respect the will of the youth? Where did Gaddaffi not do the opposite and literally bomb his oppostion with gov't aircraft?
It's shocking how you 2 clowns try to appear intellectual and 'enlightened', and fail to disprove my points.
Idiots? Who's the idiot, Matt? DMT?
Meh....
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graniteclimber
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The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 24, 2011 - 09:13pm PT
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Most people don't cotton to foreigners telling them how to run their country. If the leaders of China and Russia went on TV before the last election and told Americans to vote against Obama that would have just gotten Obama more votes. It would work the same way in any other country, including Libya. The last thing the Libyan freedom fighters needed a few days ago was an endorsement from the United States and other foreign leaders. Now that they have enough momentum and have established their legitmacy as a Libyan movement (not agents of the U.S. or some other country), it doesn't hurt.
Bluering doesn't understand this, but most of the smart people in both parties do.
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graniteclimber
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Feb 24, 2011 - 09:16pm PT
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"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
 Hermann Goering at his Nuremburg trial.
Dictators understand this. That is why whenever there is a movement to throw out any dictator anywhere, the dictator always claims it is a foreign conspiracy. When people suspect a foreign conspiracy, they rally around their leaders, even when they are dictators. If Obama had denounced Kadafi earlier than he did, this would have just helped Kadafi.
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 09:22pm PT
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Bluering doesn't understand this, but most of the smart people in both parties do.
Was it okay in Egypt? Tunisia?
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graniteclimber
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Feb 24, 2011 - 09:49pm PT
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February 14, 2011
Reporting from Washington — House Speaker John A. Boehner said Sunday he thought the Obama administration handled "a very difficult situation" in Egypt about as well as possible, undercutting potential Republican presidential candidates who have charged that President Obama botched the U.S. response to a popular revolt against a key ally.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 09:58pm PT
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I'd agree with Boehner, granite.
Bleuy...
Obama has in fact made statements condemning Gaddafi's actions; something he never had to do regarding Mubarak.
The USA's first concern is the safety of the Americans who are still in Libya, as they have been since Dubya normalized relations with that country in (2006?)....
Gaddafi is toast, without US intervention, and our sending in the B-1 bombers in no way serves either Libya's or US interests.
He hasn't made the same veracity of arguement with regard to Libya. He's been almost silent except for one or two lines. It's gotta make ya wonder why Mubarak and nor the same for Gaddafi. He was pretty adament agaist Mubarak!
It just seems weird and suspicious to me. Why the difference?
It could be intelligence crap we don't know. Just seems weird. Gaddaffi was clearly a more brutal man, apparently directly ordering the attack on Lockerbie Americans.
If nothing else, that should differentiate the two men!
EDIT:
If Bluering was smart enough to become absolute dictator of a third-world country for 40 years,
Real question: Would I want to?????
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:09pm PT
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He hasn't made the same veracity of arguement with regard to Libya. He's been almost silent except for one or two lines. It's gotta make ya wonder why Mubarak and nor the same for Gaddafi. He was pretty adament agaist Mubarak!
It just seems weird and suspicious to me. Why the difference?
Maybe you are answering your own question.
It could be intelligence crap we don't know. Just seems weird. Gaddaffi was clearly a more brutal man, apparently directly ordering the attack on Lockerbie Americans.
If nothing else, that should differentiate the two men!
The news reports say that Obama and other Western leaders were advised by their experts that Gadaffi might target or take hostage Americans and other Westeners.
Gaddafi is far more brutal. He is like Hitler--he will go down fighting and doesn't care if he takes his whole country, or the whole world, with him. He has no conscience and will use his helicopter gunships and bombers against unarmed civilians. He brings in mercenaries to machine-gun his own people. He is sitting on an arsenal of mustard gas that he may use if he can. He has shown no hesitation in targeting innocent Americans and other Westerners.
You may remember that in the 80's he "purchased" an American hostage in Lebanon and had him executed. He also blew up a passenger jet (Lockerbie).
There are thousands of Americans in Libya. You don't just "denounce" someone like that and expect him not to hit back at you if he is able to. You're better of keeping your mouth shut and letting your bombers do your talking for you. Obama and others are getting more vocal now that Gaddafi is more isolated.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:11pm PT
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Maybe, granite. But you give him too much creedance IMO.
You could denouce me for the opposite, rightfully. But...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:12pm PT
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EDIT:
If Bluering was smart enough to become absolute dictator of a third-world country for 40 years,
Real question: Would I want to?????
You wouldn't want to have your own hand-picked female "virgin" (ahem) bodyguard in customized outfits?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:14pm PT
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Maybe, granite. But you give him too much creedance IMO.
If I were CIC, the bombers would already be on their way back to base, to reload.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:17pm PT
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When he was giving his speech on live TV with this statue of an American plane being crushed, was I the only one thinking how BEAUTIFUL it would have been for a U.S. F-15 to flash out of nowhere and take him out?
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:56pm PT
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I can't wait 'til the guy that Jeff "tortured" finds out where he lives.....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2011 - 04:49pm PT
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Yeah, this is really gonna help relations....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2011 - 05:11pm PT
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It was auto-translated from Russian. There is a better translation now available at the link. Here's another;
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/98414/
DMT, so only military personnel can have geo-political opinions? That would be a bizarre world...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2011 - 06:02pm PT
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Do you have an opinion, Bleuy?
I don't think I'm entitled to one, I never served, man....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2011 - 06:14pm PT
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Well....You know what they say about entitlements.
Hehe...
Regarding the Caucaus issue, if they want Russian authorities to leave them alone, they would quit blowing the sh#t out of people.
Quit giving the Russkies excuses! It never ends well for the 'ethnic' Caucasians.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2011 - 06:40pm PT
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I thought it was relevant because it appears to an 'Islamic uprising'.
But not to to with Arabs. But then neither did Morocco, Tunisia, or Libya. Maybe it was Majid's thread that was mis-titled, no?
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