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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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After reading all the Klimmer/Rox links I am so happy government is now in control of our healthcare......
What I don't understand is that if this truther stuff is true why wouldn't people take up arms against their country? According to them our own government committed an act of war against us. Pure and simple.
They even drew first blood.
Are any of you truthers willing to put your money where your mouth is? Or, are you all just part time truthers?
Skip
Well Skipt (comprehension classes), it's not the Government that is evil, corrupt and incompetent, not the whole of it anyway.
I know you TeaBaggers can't get your collective head around the reality-what with the throw all incumbents out mental frothing and all-that most of the people in government are hard working honest folks trying to do the best they can in a good but imperfect system.
We are talking about the reality of a rogue element of very powerful people deep within government actively pursuing their own agenda. They are the ones who need to be exposed and weeded out.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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it's not the Government that is evil, corrupt and incompetent, not the whole of it anyway.
I know you TeaBaggers can't get your collective head around the reality-what with the throw all incumbents out mental frothing and all-that most of the people in government are hard working honest folks trying to do the best they can in a good but imperfect system.
We are talking about the reality of a rogue element of very powerful people deep within government actively pursuing their own agenda. They are the ones who need to be exposed and weeded out.
True.
There are indeed good people in all agencies within our government, just doing their jobs and serving the Citizens. But then there are monsters. I agree. They have to be rooted out.
Here is another incredible situation that goes along with and fits right into the Pentagon flyover and that the massive jet was actually seen to go North of the Citgo Gas Station, which completely contradicts the US Government OCT:
Lloyd England and his Taxi Cab
The Eye of the Storm
http://thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Skipt,
I think you "skipped" reading what I actually said.
Take-offs and landings are all at very reduced speeds, not near top flight speed.
Slow down and work on Reading comprehension. Try it. It works.
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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Jul 2, 2010 - 04:10pm PT
JohnDoeX,
Thanks for being here.
Just one question from me (ok, maybe 2) . . .
Q: Can a Boeing 757 going at the official posted speeds for AA Flight 77 on 9-11 fly into the Pentagon along the OCT path through the lightpoles and then eventually and obviously just mere feet above the ground, yet not touch the spot-less "Pentalawn" not be affected by Ground Effect? Or another way of asking, Is it actually possible to cruise a Commercial Airliner at near top speeds just a few feet above the ground where it would encounter Ground Effect for any real distance?
G Forces - Scene From 9/11: Attack On The Pentagon
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=14670
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Note to Skippy, they don't land at full speed.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Skipt,
How old are you?
I feel like I'm talking to a HS student or younger, either that or you are old and senile. Which is it?
It is like I'm talking to a rock, and nothing is getting through.
Read about Ground Effect. It is real and it does affect an aircraft in close proximity to the ground. Are you denying this? It's effect is also greater the faster you fly in close proximity to the ground. Hence, the fact you have to reduce your airspeed (and groundspeed) when landing, but not so slow as to stall of course. There is a window, and envelope of speed an aircraft can easily land within where Ground Effect will have minimal effect and it can touch down.
Go too fast at close proximity to the ground and Ground Effect will make it impossible to touch down. At cruising speeds you are going too fast to get into close proximity to the ground. The craft is literally bouyed up and lifted by the effect.
We are not of course talking about plunging an aircraft straight into the ground. There would be no ground effect of course then. We are talking about normal approaches to the ground. The OCT of 9-11 for AA Flight 77 has the jet approaching not far off normal approaches and fairly normal inclines after the spiral dive descent, when it levels out and for a considerable distance, apparently plowing its way through lightpoles. Ground Effect would be a factor then indeed, especially at the official speeds of flight indicated.
The official video released shows something much smaller at ground level leaving a smoke trail. It is not a 757.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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And when they do go full speed, ya just put the nose down a little to overcome ground effect. You would think it's impossible to crash flying low level fast by the way you guys prattle on about ground effect.
Not that difficult guys.
And Klimmer, flying that low, even the engine back wash will throw up dust.
We have the best cruise missile technology, and our engines are smokeless for good reasons.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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It is like talking to rocks . . .
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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Klimmer,
I am from a prominent Air Force Family. My father was in charge of an important segment of it and my uncle was senior engineer for NATO.
I spent my life in the technical field also working with them and other agencies. You don't know what you are talking about and even funnier you don't understand what the real conspiracy here is.
It is in the telecom area. That is where we haven't been told everything and for good reason.
Klimmer, you are a clown.
Skip
Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ Total Flight Time
707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777
Pan Am, United
United States Air Force (ret)
Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
Command time in:
 N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)
Commander Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad
23,000 hours
27 years in the airlines
B757/767 for 13 years mostly international Captain with American Airlines.
20 years US Navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, TopGun twice
civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds
Command time in:
N644AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 77)
N334AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 11)
Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways
Guy S. Razer, LtCol, USAF (Ret)
3,500+ Hours Total Flight Time
F-15E/C, F-111A/D/E/F/EF, F-16, F-18, B-1, Mig-29, SU-22, T-37/38, Various Cvilian Prop
Combat Time: Operation Northern Watch
USAF Fighter Weapons School Instructor
NATO Tactical Leadership Program Instructor/Mission Coordinator
USAF Material Command Weapons Development Test Pilot
Combat Support Coordination Team 2 Airpower Coordinator, South Korea
All Service Combat Identification Evaluation Team Operations Officer
Boeing F-22 Pilot Instructor
MS Aeronautical Studies, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Dwain Deets
MS Physics, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
37 year NASA career
Field McConnell (Captain Sherlock?)
23,000+ hours
CV580,DC9,MD80,B727,A320,DC10
NCA,REP,NWA
A4,F4,F16 USN,USMC, ND ANG
That is just a sample...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core
Skippy, your "experts" mean nothing, till they go on the record.
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Mimi
climber
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Sorry if I missed any direct questions; ask again. I've been at work all day.
k-man, regarding stock puts. Show us the data. A lot of that stuff was BS and unsubstantiated. All part of the Truther hysteria.
And I'm personally not relying on any experts. Keep watching the footage of the jets impacting in real time and slo-mo and force yourself to have an open mind. End of story.
As for the Pentagon again. If it was a bunker buster, klimsie, where are the f*#king passengers on that flight?! Did they enter the Twilight Zone or were they abducted by Big Foot? Perhaps a teensy black hole has them.
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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Jul 2, 2010 - 05:48pm PT
Which one are you, John Doe?
Funny, I don't see that name on the list.
Skip
Ask Monolith...
Or click my username and read my posts and links.
Wow, no wonder why these people blindly support the govt story. They are unable to do any research whatsoever.
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dirtbag
climber
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Klimmer,
I am from a prominent Air Force Family. My father was in charge of an important segment of it and my uncle was senior engineer for NATO. I'm trying to tell you over and over I have talked with many people who saw a plane, and yes a 757, fly into the Pentagon.
I spent my life in the technical field also working with them and other agencies. You don't know what you are talking about and even funnier you don't understand what the real conspiracy here is.
It is in the telecom area. That is where we haven't been told everything and for good reason.
Skip
I can only conclude that they consistently ignore the parts where you repeatedly say, " I'm trying to tell you over and over I have talked with many people who saw a plane, and yes a 757, fly into the Pentagon." purposely.
Oh well, you tried.
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dirtbag
climber
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Skip, what you posted was so simple. People saying "I saw the plane hit the Pentagon" doesn't get much more straightforward.
Yet they eschew it in favor of some wildly complex and fact-empty speculation that comports with their pre-conceived notions of NWO conspiracies and distrust of Bush and Cheney.
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johndoeX
Social climber
NY
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Jul 2, 2010 - 06:22pm PT
I did dirt.
Over and out.
Thanks,
Skip
Witnesses at the Pentagon?
You mean like the Pentagon Police Officers interviewed on location? Who bet their life on the fact the aircraft approached on a path opposite the physical damage and impossible to cause the physical damage? The Arlington National Cemetery Workers, Citgo Gas Station Workers, Navy Annex workers.. et al.. who corroborate their story? These witnesses?
National Security Alert (Video)
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html
Skippy, will you ever provide anyone on the record? Or just people you claim to "know".
(rolleyes)
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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where are the f*#king passengers on that flight?! Did they enter the Twilight Zone or were they abducted by Big Foot? Perhaps a teensy black hole has them.
Mimi
you mean the passengers of Oceanic 815? they've been on the Island for seven seasons fighting the smoke monster, now they're in Heaven
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WBraun
climber
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Oh they have their guys, witnesses,
And the other side has their guys, witnesses.
Then there's the guys that witnessed no planes.
Then there's frame missing video's of what it might have been
And are spoiled with disinformation mixed in to boot.
Makes for a very nice mix of nightmares for everyone.
Except of course for those who absolutely know .......
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