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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 15, 2014 - 08:14pm PT
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"School's in session"
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
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i posted the article about Dr. Diane Powell's work, thinking it was very relevant to this discussion
since no one commented, did no one bother to read it...
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
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I scanned it, Tom. I’m a bit acquainted with holograms as embodiments of cognitive processes. The hologram has been used to describe some organizations that have “distributed centers” (HQ, control centers, repositories of knowledge, distributed skill sets, etc.). I like the idea, but the devil is in the details as to how it works in organizations.
In people? Sure. Why not?
If it were true, then the only difference it could possibility make is that people might think about the bases for consciousness differently. But nothing in reality changes, and it’s not like the knowledge of holograms leads to enlightenment or anything. It’s a curiosity.
What should matter is not what it is conceptually, but what it is experientially.
Unfortunately, the knowledge of anything doesn’t seem to make a bit of difference to anyone’s raw experience. That, somehow, remains exactly the same no matter what is going on in front of us. Sure, we have different interpretations, but what are those?
Whether it is little space aliens, Yahweh in full battle array, atoms strung on a string, or Mazlow becoming self-realized . . . it’s all the same thing in one’s experience. The stories are, . . . well, . . . stories. Clever, interesting, arguable among friends, but still stories at the end of the day.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 16, 2014 - 05:15am PT
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What a disgusting opportunistic condolence. A heaven filled with you is my definition of Hell.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Oct 16, 2014 - 06:27am PT
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NOW I AM SO CONFUSED
BEN save D ...and... looked into marrying and becoming aaa Jew
then the women I did went All Dharma Rag On me…… DEW
(read as DOH Homer Simpson like)
MY Cathedral and holy Power Has Always Been
ROCK
Not the Crack that seems to get "moked here
PYVG—Perfect Yosemite Valley Granite
The mormans where real Asz wipes to quarry the ‘Grammer Butress’
I know it is called something else.../././././././././The...Adjective Buttress
Good hard is Rock to Find............./././././././././.Good Rock is Hard to Find
When I do I climb It …the rock
This reads like a haed injury patients.../././././Head........ Not AHAD either
Stupid rhyme.
calling to Dr F
come back man I light a fatty and pass it to you 'cause I'm to broke and broke down
unless it is sharing with you
I love this line
This Succulents man
Mr FRye we should all be thanking you for the playground
oh no thats some kid called CmAC daddy it was just the ball you took with you
shunned
shunned
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 16, 2014 - 06:42am PT
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Go-B:
Kotter’s work has been well-received over the decades. He’s kind of an icon in the study of leadership. His writing and ideas concern mundane efforts of the bourgeoise.
Urgency requires an orientation to achievement, because something needs to be done, and there isn’t much time left. I question both notions. This current life may be limited in some ways, but an orientation to the future detracts from the present, which is all we really ever have. As for achievement of some state of being, that too resides in the future vaguely. If it isn’t vague, then you have it already. If you already have it, then you’re in-tune with the Absolute. There is no where to go and nothing more to do.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Oct 16, 2014 - 09:55am PT
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Right said Tvash.
Totally culty behavior by Go-B. Using the fear of death to promote his cult status. What a creep! And a self righteous Knowitall pos too.
Nothing defines Christianity as much as the terroristic threat of eternal damnation. What a bunch of a-holes.
Sketch, criticizing a group or individual's behavior isn't bigotry. Christianity is built on war and bigotry. It's promoted through war and childhood indoctrination. Your group is actively trying to reverse the Age of Reason and trying to take the world back to the Dark Ages. Move aside you bunch of creepy cultists.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 16, 2014 - 10:01am PT
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Or "in" the present? (then)
In tune with the absolute?
Or fallen?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 16, 2014 - 10:09am PT
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Actually, I just criticized one individual's behavior.
That's not bigotry.
We call this magic English.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2014 - 10:47am PT
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Not wanting to drag something from the other thread that was mercifully put out of it's misery, but the mind is full of wonderful things. Like this:
Said the man:
"And this has been standing here for centuries. The premier work of man perhaps in the whole Western world. And it’s without a signature: Chartres.
A celebration to God’s glory, and dignity of man. All that’s left, most artists seem to feel these days, is man. Naked, poor. There aren’t any celebrations.
Ours, they keep telling us, is a universe which is disposable. You know, it might be just this one anonymous glory, of all things, this rich stone forest, this epic chant, this gaiety, this grand, choiring shout of affirmation, which we choose when all our cities are dust, to stand intact, to mark where we have been, to testify to what we had in us to accomplish.
Our works in stone, in paint, in print, are spared - some of them for a few decades or a millennium or two. But everything must finally fall in war, or wear away into the ultimate and universal ash. The triumphs and the frauds, the treasures and the fakes. A fact of life. We’re going to die.
'Be of good heart,' cry the dead artists out of the living past. Our songs will all be silenced — but what of it? Go on singing."
JL
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 16, 2014 - 11:01am PT
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"Im Abendrot"
[Click to View YouTube Video]
We have gone through sorrow and joy
hand in hand;
Now we can rest from our wandering
above the quiet land.
Around us, the valleys bow;
the air is growing darker.
Just two skylarks soar upwards
dreamily into the fragrant air.
Come close to me, and let them flutter.
Soon it will be time for sleep.
Let us not lose our way
in this solitude.
O vast, tranquil peace,
so deep at sunset!
How weary we are of wandering
Is this perhaps death?
"A magnificent musical sunset, glorious and noble thoughts as the shadows descend on life. Courage when all is falling apart before death.The clouds of the Western sky will darken in all-extinguishing night; but the soul sings,for it must."
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 16, 2014 - 11:45am PT
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Marlow: " . . . the soul sings,for it must."
A good line, Marlow.
And good on you and John for bringing a little civility and awe to the party. Cheers.
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Oct 16, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
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since no one commented, did no one bother to read it... (Tom)
I did, Tom, but the Institute for Noetic Science is a little suspicious. However, this article is suitable for this wide-ranging thread.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 16, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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Death disappoints no man.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 16, 2014 - 07:26pm PT
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Ce n'est pas une cheeseburger
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Oct 16, 2014 - 08:35pm PT
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Wimpy is Nice!!!!!!!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 16, 2014 - 11:50pm PT
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Sketch apparently "knows" Tvash is a "liberal"
after all of Tvash's posts, I never heard him describe himself as such, did I miss something?
was Tvash's political affectations even relevant to the discussion 'What is "Mind"?'
it couldn't be that Sketch is acting on some stereotype he has in his mind regarding "liberals"?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 17, 2014 - 04:29am PT
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one of the strengths of liberal democracy is the freedom to complain about it
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Oct 17, 2014 - 10:06am PT
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What is (Political) Mind?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 17, 2014 - 10:53am PT
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Peck at the red button if you want fries or the blue button if you want quinoa.
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