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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 19, 2013 - 09:48am PT
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"Knotts" is a prime example of why most climate "skeptics" are not. He's a fervent believer, an avatar on a mission, apparently created two days ago for the purpose of copy-and-pasting stuff from denier websites to this thread on Supertopo. Not bright enough, it seems, to read or understand the actual science (even the abstracts) underneath, but that doesn't matter, he's anonymous and has an endless supply of material.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 19, 2013 - 10:12am PT
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Mr. Chiloe, please refute the observed real temp values from the three reporting climate/met organizations that I indicated in my last post. Do not play the distraction game that you and the rest consistently resort to when called on your platform of scam propaganda. The numbers above indicate the truth of ZERO warming since 1998 and the reality of your professional global industrial hoax. Taking it to the bank. Indeed.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 19, 2013 - 10:24am PT
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So all of this is just an elaborate scheme thought up by the climate scientists to make themselves rich...
I suggest you ask Dr. James Hansen that question. Pretty certain that the Dr.'s financial assists have substantially increased at the tax payers expense. An increase and a pretty penny made since his famed day in front of Congress in June of 1988. The day he made his "alarmism" concept a very lucrative business/industry. From cold to hot and then straight to the bank. Good on him. Good old Amerikan initiative and capitalistic drive at it's best I tell you. The scam of all times.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 19, 2013 - 11:13am PT
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I thought he cut his ear off, Oh wait that was the other guy.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 19, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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IMO it seems obvious some of you guy's are very intelligent so why do you waste your time on these nitwits?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 19, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
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I also enjoy vaporizing ants with a magnifying glass
I forgot how much fun that is I need to teach that to my kids today
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 19, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
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I saw MANY a study turn out to be absolutely backasswards from reality.
I'm calling you out... you say MANY, emphasis yours... show us THREE, I dare you.
The majority of USFS workers wouldn't know science if it bit them on the ass. I suspect you fit into that category. You've already proven what you THINK the studies claim are no where near what they actually claim.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 19, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
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the usfs has a hard time managing a campground
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 19, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
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I got that one Ed,you may have to work from the top down
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 19, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
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Ron, I have friends that work for the F.S. and they told me they have to have someone to come in and teach them how to get along with one another. u know who's payin fer that, what a joke.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 19, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
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I could go on and on about stand density index and how that was labeled absurd by studies in favor of basil area techniques- those folks also called doubters insane, or prejudice..
You are talking about measurement techniques. Different measurement techniques apply to different situations, stand types, etc. For a given stand, there is usually a direct comparison between SDI and BA. Your gripe is moot.
I could tell you about the "science" behind many a once considered factual study that turned out to be wrong, and guided by pre-conceived wishes- many just to justify an veritable industry.
Okay, then do. Stop offering your vague, generalized opinion and tell us something useful. Tell us about the "science."
MORE THAN enough to have a masters in forestry though.
Hahaha... I love it when people say sh#t like that. You know nothing about it until you have done it. Sh#t, you can't even take criticisms about your guide, your routes, or your friend's routes without going berserker. I can't imagine you could deal with criticism regarding 2 years of research on one subject.
There is ~10% good, smart, hard working people in most FS offices these days.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 19, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
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that did sound bad Ron.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 19, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
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But i did work with many bitd, and at times, saw the DUMBEST crap i ever saw from those "highly educated" typs.
Funny because I have worked with many bitd and definitely saw the DUMBEST sh#t I ever saw from uneducated rednecks who think they know the "science" is wrong but can't/won't/don't cite a single scientific study (not even the one they are criticizing) and can't state (or even recognize) a testable hypothesis.
It would be like someone who has never seen an owl in the wild saying Ron's taxidermy looks fake and nothing like real life.
"easterly" shift of the jet stream?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 19, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
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Ron brings up an interesting point in that you catastrophists always belittle others when they cite local conditions which you correctly identify as weather. Well look around gentlemen,their is an abundance of "localized weather (alaska being one fifth of the u.s landmass) which are in the whole indicative of climate changes and have been on the downslope from warming for over a decade.Look at the mid to upper latitudes around the globe. I'll try to dig up some farming news.
Knotts has presented graph after graph clearly showing how the models have consistently and increasingly diverged from the reality on the ground.They are not getting any better at climate predictions but do seem to be getting better at portraying some local conditions called "weather".Now, some of you guys keeping saying that we, and many, many of the most prominent scientists on the planet are just to simple minded to see the the particular twisted nuances that indicate the broader interpretation, in time and trends minus all natural forcing and mitigation agents, that the graphs clearly indicate to you. Well i'm sorrynot all of us are that desperate.
Bruce asks why we would weight Roy Spencers and the majority of the worlds scientists over Mr. Hansens. Well look outside gentlemen, the world still turns, the biota thrives, the climate is in a cooling trend contrary to Hansens early and repeated predictions of catastrophic effects in the future-dates that have come and gone without the world conforming to his hysterical predictions.
As i have said from the beginning of posting here, we need to return to page 1. So thank you Ed for your contribution to understanding the beginning from which all sprang including humans to affect this exceedingly tiny portion of space and time called Earth.So to return to the point of origin of all we see and can ever see because it is all-the UNIVERSE.Before origin their was nothing, no space, no time, no location, no past, no future, no universe since it was infinitesimally small and their was none of the above and nothing to witness or effect this nothingness.Ed says gravitation and electromagnetism are infinite and transcend origin. I ask where, when, what were their values, how could they exist if their was nothing to effect?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 19, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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East and West..?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 19, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
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Well look around gentlemen,their is an abundance of "localized weather (alaska being one fifth of the u.s landmass)...
Uh, 1/5th the US landmass is NOT localized.
..which are in the whole indicative of climate changes and have been on the downslope from warming for over a decade.
This has been covered over and over and over and over. The mean GLOBAL temperature is rising, which results in a change in global climate depending on location. Get it yet?
Now, some of you guys keeping saying that we, and many, many of the most prominent scientists on the planet...
Hahahaaa... yes, "many, many of the most prominent scientists"... keep telling yourself that... hahahaaa.
Well look outside gentlemen, the world still turns,
Wow, I didn't realize one of the predictions of global climate change was that the Earth would stop turning!
"400 ppm - WOW. Haven't seen this much CO2 in the atmosphere since the Pliocene. This is equivalent to the DOW hitting 20,000 (if the DOW had been around for the last 4 million years)." -Dr. Spero
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 19, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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Bruce, by biased data you just mean it is different than the data you choose to use. That is what biased means, right? ;)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 19, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
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ya got your teat in a wringer again, didn't you sparky?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 19, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
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McHale,he is a meteor doubter.
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