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WBraun
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May 18, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
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What & why is the forcing behind it? No one really knows with any absolute certainty.
The minute I hear "NO ONE KNOWS" I know for sure that you know absolutely nothing.
Right there .... you might as well just pack it up and go home.
You are finished .....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 18, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
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Di Vinci is most certainly laughing at you all from his grave. That is a given. He is laughing at you all I tell you.
what are you, 15?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 18, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
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Knott's, even Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon agrees that we are creating the warming and has made crazy statments about moving farming areas and the like. They just think we can go on as usual and 'adapt'. The people running the ship are nuts. Look up his statements and videos on the net. These are also the same people that create the bullshit you read.
Mr. Tillerson was speaking to the Council On Foreign Relations I believe, so he couldn't really bullshit them too much. Anyone that is anybody knows what's going on. It's people like you that are easy to fool. America seems to be the last country in the world that is easy to fool. They call it American Exceptionalism.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 18, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
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^^^ ditto "Quack-Quack"
The Sience of Climate Change has been happening forever. We just recently started writing it down. Now that we're keeping tabs,we can prove that it changes. And our understanding is that; wherever there's an action, there's a reaction. Consensess says WHATEVER man does effects the world and climate. Mostly man burns "things". Yea to get WARM! But also to make "things", and that causes heat to. What about all the billions of engines in our cars, trains, and planes, not only burning and giving off CO2 gasses, but also running at 200+ degrees? Their heating the atmosphere and changing the climate! I'm sure man is helping the planet in its cooling effects too. But not enough? So why don't you scientist devise a way to help cool it more? What's all the Hubbub Bud? Why stand around pointing the finger at ur neighbor, causing guilt? EVERYONE is burning something...
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 18, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
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The climate models and climate reality. Climate Science (models) desperately trying to be important and obviously failing at predicting the future. Oh the absurdity of it all.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 18, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
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[photoid=303597]
Yvonne Sumner enjoying May 18 2013 in south central Alaska which was described as part of ground zero for CAGW. This is the longest winter here in recorded history, the leaves are still yet to unfurl, the ice still on the near sea level lakes, the tripod still stands on the Nenana River Classic. Guess what guys? It stopped warming here and the vast majority of the state in 1999. Since then, 19 of the 20 weather stations used to measure the catastrophic effects of runaway global warming have shown a decrease in temperature, on average 2.4 degrees.This is a reality, your graphs are cartoons, except for yours Knotts.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 18, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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apparently, the word "global" has been replaced by selected localities now......
what is this, high school?
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 18, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
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Someone please refute my last post. Please. You can't. That is fact. The climate models are off, way off from the reality. The models keep climbing as the real time "global" temps do not. Almost 1.3C higher than that of present "global" temps on avg. What kind of data is that. Predicting the future? Complete propaganda. Palm and Tarot Card readers have a better track record.
Oh the absurdity of it all.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 18, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
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What is so repulsive about this climate modeling fiasco is all the millions of tax payers dollars that have been wasted in fortune telling could have gone to a far better cause. Like feeding the homeless and poor children in this nation. Bettering K-12 education across the nation. Assisting veterans/reservists returning from the wars with all their many needs including keeping their homes.
Oh the absurdity of it all. Modern day Climate Science and it's tax payers funded multi-million dollar crystal ball of complete delusional malarkey.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 18, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
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I've taken time off from this addiction of arguing with fellow idiots on the internet. After printing and reviewing a 8" stack of climate science papers (mostly pro some con, probably another stack 20 feet tall to read it all) im beginning to think this thread is a gigantic troll to test if climbers are as gullible as the pathetic scientists, and a decreasing minority of the public both politic and private, trying to force feed us this phony science.So i would like you guys- Norton, Dr.F, Bruce, Base,Ed, and others to come clean-tell me you don't believe in this criminal farce and you are pulling our legs.I don't want to have to go through much more of that 100 billion dollar stack of mostly voodoo purported to be science. PLEASE.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 19, 2013 - 12:32am PT
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The malarkey is making all your assumptions on that stupid graph that is completely misleading
Stupid & misleading graph?
by the way knott if i was capable of chalenging the veracity, accuracy or relevance of your graph I would, but I'm no more capable than yourself.
Refute it. Post current Climate Science models that align with real time observed temps. Please.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 19, 2013 - 12:44am PT
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This is a "draft" from the soon to be released IPCC AR5 concerning the model/s disparities and subsequent correction/s ("changes"). Look closely and even the IPCC observed values indicate ZERO warming since 1998.
Oh the horror of it all.
"Estimated changes in the observed globally and annually averaged surface temperature (in °C) since 1990 compared with the range of projections from the previous IPCC assessments. Values are aligned to match the average observed value at 1990. Observed global annual temperature change, relative to 1961–1990, is shown as black squares (NASA (updated from Hansen et al., 2010; data available at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/);; NOAA (updated from Smith et al., 2008; data available at http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cmb-faq/anomalies.html#grid);; and the UK Hadley Centre (Morice et al., 2012; data available at http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut4/); reanalyses). Whiskers indicate the 90% uncertainty range of the Morice et al. (2012) dataset from measurement and sampling, bias and coverage (see Appendix for methods). The coloured shading shows the projected range of global annual mean near surface temperature change from 1990 to 2015 for models used in FAR (Scenario D and business-as-usual), SAR (IS92c/1.5 and IS92e/4.5), TAR (full range of TAR Figure 9.13(b) based on the GFDL_R15_a and DOE PCM parameter settings), and AR4 (A1B and A1T). The 90% uncertainty estimate due to observational uncertainty and internal variability based on the HadCRUT4 temperature data for 1951-1980 is depicted by the grey shading. Moreover, the publication years of the assessment reports and the scenario design are shown."
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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May 19, 2013 - 01:03am PT
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What about all the billions of engines in our cars, trains, and planes, not only burning and giving off CO2 gasses, but also running at 200+ degrees
This is an interesting and fun question, but straight out of my cap, I would have to say no. Engines and stuff like that do not contribute noticeably to the climate. Look at a traffic jam in downtown Manhattan, or a freeway in LA.
The black color of the pavement absorbs a lot more energy and re-emits the radiation in the infrared (I hate using the word "heat.")
We all know this as the "heat island" effect. This has been studied for many decades and is nothing new. It is accounted for in models. The models are getting pretty good these days. The big users of supercomputers are the NSA, the Weather Service, modeling nuclear explosions (there is a test ban), etc. The petroleum geophysics industry used to use a huge amount of computing power to process 3D seismic volumes, but I'm not aware of how big of a number guzzler it is today.
Science is blind. If anyone tries to fudge anything, it will be discovered quickly if it is noisy (like cold fusion or faster than light particles). If it is not super important, bad science may fester, but a paper that refutes somebody else's hypothesis is just as important as the original hypothesis.
I know guys who take great pleasure in burying colleagues' work. There are numerous papers like that. Nobody holds a grudge (in "theory").
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 19, 2013 - 01:10am PT
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Science is blind. If anyone tries to fudge anything, it will be discovered quickly if it is noisy
Clearly exhibited by the IPCC AR5's admission in their modeling "changes" as well as their own "observed" temp values that indicate ZERO warming since 1998.
I wonder how many millions of dollars it took for the IPCC to come clean.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 19, 2013 - 01:14am PT
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Okay, let's start at the beginning of our limits of indirect observation-The Big Bang. At the point of the beginning, the future universe was contained in an infinitesimally small point, a singularity, possessing all future matter, energy and an unevolved set of properties we now have partially identified through millenia of observation and have partially codified in science ,and described by mathematics, as physical laws. The universe is estimated to be 13.8 billion of what we currently experience and describe as years.Is that correct? What came before? Let's not hear internet descriptions, let's hear your understanding and words.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 19, 2013 - 01:43am PT
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Answer and expand on the description. Their are infinite degrees of nuance to add to my simple description and question. Let's see how precise, accurate, and briefly any of you learned men can describe to us this point of beginning.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 19, 2013 - 02:01am PT
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They can't R-Sumner. They of course will insist that they can. Tell you how and where it all began with 1000's of mathematical equations etc. But fact is, like their climate models, complete propaganda and spews of malarkey.
The world is not flat. Yes. That is a proven fact. Manmade global warming. Not proven and comes no where near the proven fact of a round planet earth. They repeatedly use this example. Again, their insistence in certainty that humans are to blame for all this is fantasy at best. Many are taking it to the bank though. Gotta give em credit for that. Scam, farce, indeed.
Di Vinci is laughing in his tomb I tell ya. Laughing uncontrollably at the total ignorance of the millions that believe em.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 19, 2013 - 03:50am PT
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Let's not hear internet descriptions, let's hear your understanding and words.
The big bang idea is brought about from the assumption that the Universes are expanding. Thus, an expansion from one point. Infinitesimal or not, where did the collaboration for this one point come from? And what caused the Bang? (movement). So there must have been something before the big bang started. An end of another time. My body and mind can understand this. But my Spirit understands an Eternity
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 19, 2013 - 08:55am PT
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Ok Mr. Cono, I will bite your ignorant troll. The IPCC utilized the observed global temps from HadCrut 3&4 (Met Office) and not NOAA as you indicated. You Amerikans believe you are the only ones with reporting stations? Humor me you have done. Ha. I would suggest that you continue posting as you have indeed proven my point of how fabrication of propaganda is the key to the "alarmists" cause.
Now look carefully after you wipe your face off of all that sheep feces that you waddle in. You will in fact see the same observed temp values that are indicated in the previous AR5 graph of "changes" that I posted. Huh. Amazing what happens when one looks at the real data and not the "fudged/doctored".
Year/HadCRUT4 in°C (95% confidence range)/HadCRUT3 in °C (95% confidence range)/NCDC in °C/GISS in °C
Year HadCrut4 C HadCrut3 C NCDC GISS
2011 0.40 (0.31 to 0.50) 0.35 ( 0.25 to 0.44) 0.40 0.44
2010 0.54 (0.45 to 0.63) 0.50 ( 0.40 to 0.59) 0.53 0.56
2009 0.49 (0.39 to 0.59) 0.44 ( 0.34 to 0.54) 0.46 0.49
2008 0.38 (0.30 to 0.47) 0.31 ( 0.21 to 0.41) 0.38 0.37
2007 0.48 (0.39 to 0.57) 0.40 ( 0.30 to 0.50) 0.46 0.51
2006 0.49 (0.40 to 0.58) 0.43 ( 0.33 to 0.53) 0.46 0.48
2005 0.53 (0.44 to 0.63) 0.47 ( 0.37 to 0.58) 0.52 0.55
2004 0.44 (0.35 to 0.53) 0.43 ( 0.33 to 0.53) 0.45 0.41
2003 0.50 (0.41 to 0.59) 0.46 ( 0.36 to 0.56) 0.49 0.49
2002 0.49 (0.40 to 0.58) 0.46 ( 0.36 to 0.55) 0.48 0.50
2001 0.43 (0.35 to 0.52) 0.40 ( 0.30 to 0.50) 0.42 0.42
2000 0.29 (0.20 to 0.38) 0.24 ( 0.14 to 0.33) 0.30 0.28
1999 0.30 (0.21 to 0.39) 0.26 ( 0.17 to 0.36) 0.32 0.26
1998 0.52 (0.44 to 0.61) 0.52 ( 0.42 to 0.61) 0.50 0.51
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/monitoring/climate/surface-temperature
Obvious that the values from the Met Office, NCDC & GISS indicate ZERO warming since 1998. Refute that Mr. Cono.
It is "Di Vinci", as in deado. Yes, he is laughing at you.
EDIT: Added MET OFFICE, NCDC and GISS annual temp values.
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