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ron gomez
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fallbrook,ca
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Great shot P! Kelly and I will be in Tuolumne end of July, I'll give a call beforevwe pass through. Bottle of wine??
Peace
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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How come fireworks shows get a pass on air pollution? Not to mention noise pollution.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Time Lies!
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philo
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This is the original post that started this thread. RIP JB.
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 4, 2009 - 03:27pm PT
Just read this and made me think a little too much.... jb
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 4, 2009 - 03:27pm PT
Just read this and made me think a little too much.... jb
"The 4th of You Lie" by Jimmie Beason (Osage/Mvskoke)
Every year on the 4th of You Lie (July), patriotic Americans engage in
their multiple colored foray of pyromania by blowing up fireworks to
celebrate the birth of the United Snakes.
This is appropriate as it's a metaphor for Indigenous genocide. The fuse of
colonization was lit and exploded with Manifest Destiny and conquest
ripping through OUR freedom; a true Freedom that existed for thousands of
years before the European invasion of our continent.
Amerikkka's policies toward us have done nothing to help, only to destroy.
Treaties were made and signed with the "utmost honor" only to be broken. In
1492, it is estimated that 5 million Native people inhabited the Western
Hemisphere. By the 1800's our population was reduced to 600,000. At the end
of the 19th century--250,000.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NatNews/message/47386
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Jul 4, 2009 - 03:30pm PT
bachar, it's sad to see you turn into a commie, anti-AmeriKan.
we are so screwed as a country with this crap and Bachar going Red on us.
Amerikkka's policies toward us have done nothing to help, only to destroy.
Treaties were made and signed with the "utmost honor" only to be broken. In
1492, it is estimated that 5 million Native people inhabited the Western
Hemisphere. By the 1800's our population was reduced to 600,000. At the end
of the 19th century--250,000.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NatNews/messtage/47386
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Jul 4, 2009 - 03:30pm PT
bachar, it's sad to see you turn into a commie, anti-AmeriKan.
we are so screwed as a country with this crap and Bachar going Red on us. Y
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Thanks for the recap Philo. Great example of two viewpoints. One sustainable, one not.
I am a Native American culture officianado and frequently attend modern PowWow dance celebrations. I have observed there are few people more red-white-and-blue patriotic than Native Americans.
One point of cuture in the PowWow scene is that NatAm Veterans are celebrated with the "gourd dance." Many men come out with their old-time costumes and march in dance step wearing the patches of their US Marine uniform. It seems that being a warrior is still a value in modern NatAm culture.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
This PowWow has been celebrated continuously for 117 years, ever since NatAm dancing was made legal in Montana:
http://www.arleepowwow.com/
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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The Pawnee Indians of Nebraska held some of the best real estate in the Midwest prior to EuroAm occupation. They never really opposed Euro occupation and were recruited as Scouts for the US cavalry to fight other tribes. They adopted the red-white-and-blue theme early on. (from various sources of study)
Note the giant grizzly bear claw necklace, often composed of 36 claws. Typical of Pawnee attire. Imagine killing a few of those bad boys with sharp sticks. The long triangles on the legging decorations are thought to represent bear claw motif.
"Buffalo Bull: A Grand Pawnee Warrior," by George Catlin, 1832.
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PSP also PP
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Berkeley
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Re Bachar: Met someone the other day that said her ex husband shot a bunch of film (movies) of Bachar back in the 90's . I think he was doing a documentary. May not have released it. She said she would check with him if he ever released it and still has it. thought someone on ST would be interested form n historical POV.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Rest in peace, John. I remember this thread well.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I have observed there are few people more red-white-and-blue patriotic than Native Americans.
and yet, they were not allowed to vote until after WWI.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Picture on one of my favorite t-shirts.
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couchmaster
climber
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PSP or PP said: Re Bachar: Met someone the other day that said her ex husband shot a bunch of film (movies) of Bachar back in the 90's . I think he was doing a documentary. May not have released it. She said she would check with him if he ever released it and still has it. thought someone on ST would be interested form n historical POV.
WOW!!! That needs to be finished, lots of filmmakers would love to wrap that film up.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Jul 4, 2009 - 03:30pm PT
bachar, it's sad to see you turn into a commie, anti-AmeriKan.
we are so screwed as a country with this crap and Bachar going Red on us.
What a moronic comment, but considering the source. . . . . .
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Thanks again, John!
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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J.B. was a champion.
As long as I live
I shall never
forget that.
Love and respect.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Always a sad day since his passing. Thinking of you Tyrus and P!
Peace
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Thinking of my Brother!
Peace
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