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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:12pm PT
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There's plenty of people who see rock climbing and think it should be illegal. They say climbers can get killed, drop rocks on people, or need a rescue (usually paid by tax dollars and a risk to the rescuers), or damage the rock in public parks. They don't need to rock climb. Why should we allow it? Cause it's freedom baby yeah. That's a ridiculous misdirection. There is zero science to back up a claim that rock climbing can hurt non climbers. Compare that to the thousands of deaths each year caused by gun owners on non gun owners. The people claiming guns are dangerous have actual facts on their side (yes I know both sides distort statistics). Facts matter.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:15pm PT
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Now, back on topic. Go Nancy!!
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:18pm PT
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Funny how you left the part before George Mason university which is,
The Mercatus Center, a libertarian policy center based at
"George Mason University found it would lead to $32.6 trillion increase in federal spending over a 10-year period. The study’s author, Charles Blahous, wrote in The Wall Street Journal earlier this month that even doubling taxes would not cover the bill for a single-payer health-care system."
Responding to the study, Sanders took aim at the Mercatus Center, which receives funding from the conservative Koch brothers. Koch Industries CEO Charles Koch is on the center’s board.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:23pm PT
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^^Hey, you're the tool who thinks a government glove up his @$$ is a good idea. No problem with Medicare expansion--as long as there is an "opt out" private market option.
BTW, you think 18% is high? Govt could do better?
I know you like to claim to be a doctor on the internet. For those who really are, and support single-payer, get ready for a big pay cut.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:33pm PT
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Mercatus Center sponsored by the Koch brothers... .Jim Carey butt cheek laugh...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:41pm PT
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"No problem with Medicare expansion--as long as there is an "opt out" private market option."
Damn....that would be distressingly close to the Canadian model...
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:44pm PT
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You won't hear me bashing on Canada. They do well for themselves. There are many things we should emulate--but many we shouldn't.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:49pm PT
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Every Canadian I know says their healthcare system works just fine for them, and can't believe America is so retarded when it comes to this issue.
There is a gov't managed healthcare system that provides basic care for any citizen. It's basic, so those that wish to have better coverage can purchase private plans on their own.
Seems entirely reasonable to me...there is basic healthcare for everyone, but those who want better than basic pay for what they want.
Why can't we make that happen here? Because the insurance industry is as effective as the NRA in lobbying congress, and spreading bullshit lies about how it's not possible, and disaster awaits if we try.
BTW....the caravan is here. Why are the troops leaving?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:51pm PT
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You won't hear me bashing on Canada.
I'll bash those frosty bastards!
Take off, Hosers!!!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Tim Hortons - 8 parking spaces
WTF???
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:52pm PT
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There are also billions invested in the industry--by ordinary Americans. Like Fritz. And pension funds.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2018 - 06:56pm PT
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So no effort should be made to do something different?
If there's one thing both sides can agree on, it's that our current system is catastrophically dysfunctional.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Nov 19, 2018 - 07:06pm PT
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So no effort should be made to do something different?
I haven't heard anyone say that. The problem is that both sides want 100% of their wish-list fulfilled.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Nov 19, 2018 - 07:08pm PT
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Tim Hortons - 8 parking spaces
If there is anything Canada needs to apologize for, it's Tim Hortons. Worse. Than. Taco. Bell.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2018 - 07:25pm PT
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Lituya! Re your comment on current discussion about going to Universal Healthcare:
There are also billions invested in the industry--by ordinary Americans. Like Fritz. And pension funds.
Thank you for keeping track of my investments, It's gud to know you care.
However, I do support an orderly transition to universal healthcare, & per the original Obamacare, the health insurers always win.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2018 - 07:28pm PT
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What do you think would be a reasonable direction, Lituya?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 19, 2018 - 07:51pm PT
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The republicans want 100% of their wish list approved which translates to no universal health care but let's all pretend they want to fix the problem...
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Nov 19, 2018 - 08:19pm PT
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apogee:
"No problem with Medicare expansion--as long as there is an "opt out" private market option."
Damn....that would be distressingly close to the Canadian model... No. It woouldn't.
In Ontario you are not allowed to "opt out".
In Ontario you are not even allowed to pay out of your pocket for services that theoretically can be had for free.
What you described is closer to German model when you are required to have either government or private health insurance.
Every Canadian I know says their healthcare system works just fine for them, and can't believe America is so retarded when it comes to this issue. Apparently all of them are young healthy people.
Older folks with some health issues do not believe this BS.
Yes, Canadian system is cheaper.
However American system is better from point of view of quality of service (for most people).
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Bale
Mountain climber
UT
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Nov 19, 2018 - 08:47pm PT
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Brian, I don’t think Love has conceded yet, but it looks pretty good for McAdams. Go Ben!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2018 - 08:49pm PT
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Yury, there's a difference between quality of healthcare, and access to it. The quality of American healthcare is the highest in the world...if you can get access to it.
Accessing the healthcare system in the US means going through the 'middle man' of the insurance industry...an industry whose sole motivation is profit and returns for their shareholders. This completely distorts the real costs of health care.
And at this point in my life, and the lives of my many Canadian friends...we are not exactly 'young and healthy'. Yet, I can't remember a single Canadian I've encountered who thought their country's system was absolutely unacceptable, and thought the US had a better way to go.
Edit:
"What you described is closer to German model when you are required to have either government or private health insurance."
My comment was over-simplified, to be sure. I didn't mean to suggest that Lituya's comment was a strict replication of the Canadian model. But it was close.
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