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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:01pm PT
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I say let due process take its course.
Be who you are.
Stand tall in your decency.
But. . . give due process a chance to work.
I couldn't agree more. But it begs the question, why did he resign? In his statement he said he was confident the ethics committee would exonerate him. If all of what he said is true he should have told his detractors to pound sand. So it all remains a mystery...
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:15pm PT
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I have to wonder if it wasn't a form of damage control for potential future things coming. Better to be gone and pretty much forgotten if something more icky comes up, rather than having stood ground and stayed to be a stain on the party closer to election.
The GOP has always been able to weather dishonorable allegations so much better than Democrats. We want our politicians to actually behave the way they espouse others do. No offense to any voting GOPs(because I really can't see how these currently elected people think the way most of you do), but the GOP has always been able to bible thump while directly contradicting in their behavior what they are preaching.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
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The GOP has always been able to weather dishonorable allegations so much better than Democrats. We want our politicians to actually behave the way they espouse others do.
Bill Clinton.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:30pm PT
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How can you grope a woman wearing a kevlar vest...? Fake news...
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 09:43pm PT
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there is a reason you adore your beloved Trump so much, you both have the same intellect
Norton, ummmmm, since you want to go there, well, you're the one selling mortgages. Not essactly rocket science.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 09:58pm PT
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Frankly, I hope Franken rescinds his resignation. Will reveal liberal Dems for the hypocrites they are--and make it harder for them to pat themselves on the back for any sort of moral high ground.
The whole exercise was useful when you tools thought Moore was going to win Alabama. Now that it's over, well, no need to get all crazy with Franken, right?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 19, 2017 - 10:24pm PT
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Any one of you, out there, RIGHT NOW, who hasn't grabbed a butt. . . or a face. . . or the back of a neck. . . stand up and be counted!
Not me, not once, never.
I view Franken's actions to fit more into the "fratboy" or "Bro" mentality....which does not really surprise me for a professional Comedian of the SNL variety at the time when all this happened.
This is not equivalent to rape, or sex under duress.
It can also be argued that this sort of attitude was prior to his change of career, where, as he has spoken often, he felt the need to act and be a more mature and serious person.
That all said, I'm not particularly comfortable with retaining him as Senator. The GOP approach is "let the voters decide", which basically says that there is no ethical fault that in and of itself is disqualifying without an election. I hope that's not true. It wasn't with Wilbur Mills and Fanne Fox. But that standard for the GOP has clearly been vacated. Dems need to take a high road.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 20, 2017 - 12:51am PT
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I view Franken's actions to fit more into the "fratboy" or "Bro" mentality....which does not really surprise me for a professional Comedian of the SNL variety at the time when all this happened.
Ken, the picture has worked in his favor. Most guys actually think it's funny. But what he really did was to set up a skit which involved him kissing her. Then he demanded that they rehearse it. Then, in rehearsal, he kissed her with a tongue thrust into her mouth. That is sexual assault, but no one's talking about it because she was wearing a kevlar vest in the photo.
Okay, maybe stuffing your tongue into an unsuspecting woman's mouth could be seen as "frat boy," but he wasn't exactly in college at the time if you see what I mean...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 20, 2017 - 05:52am PT
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regarding Al Franken - he remains resigned from the Senate...
No. He's still there. He cast a Senate vote last night, in lockstep with the rest of his party.
The reason he said he would resign two weeks ago was to get his accusers to call off the dogs - and it worked, accusers were coming forward one or two a week, and he didn't like it. Now they've stopped.
But he's still there. And all the Senators who were so full of outrage two weeks ago are happy to serve with him.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 20, 2017 - 08:10am PT
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Anyone in Congress talking about a "high road" is as credible as a "deficit hawk" in Congress. There isn't any there.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Dec 20, 2017 - 08:11am PT
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LOL, it's called an orderly transition, the senators did not demand an immediate resignation.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 20, 2017 - 09:04am PT
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Yeah? Like who?
Are you KIDDING?
How many lies have been fact-checked against DT just since the day he threw his hat in the rig during the primaries? The GOP HATED him, and one by one he bulldozed past the others running, and then suddenly he was their man.
Look at the ABSURD number of his cabinet members who claim to have "forgotten" to declare their relationships with members of foreign governments, and representatives of those people? How many simply "forgot" they had met with Russian officials???? How does one FORGET that? And not wake up in the middle of the night going "Oh....yeah, I DID. Better make that right tomorrow, first thing," and instead only "remember" when confronted with pictures and transcripts(legally obtained, lest someone go down "that" road - when a US citizen is engaged with a legitimate target from the intelligence community, they unfortunately get caught in the surveillance. In most cases, the identity of those people, when innocent, is masked. But when the IC realizes that the US citizen is actually engaged in criminal activity with those targets, well....they're busted).
Christie and his bridgegate.
Cabinet member after cabinet member with conflicts of interest with the position they are holding.
Just the other day, Mathew Petersen withdrew his nomination for a distric court judge in DC only AFTER a tape of his Senate Confirmation hearing which showed him being unable to answer BASIC legal question went viral.
to start....
For god's sake, DMT. It's not funny. Love your Andy Taylor ability to take an unbiased stance, but even Sheriff Taylor unholstered his pistol when he knew he was dealing with dangerous criminals.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Dec 20, 2017 - 09:21am PT
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I had really hoped Franken would go all the way in 2020 or 2024 (like I’d live that long) but given the climate and all the highly respected female pols that came out it wasnt going to happen.
I struggle with this issue a lot. As a woman, it’s demeaning and deragotory to be treated in a sexually explicit unwanted way . And rape I can’t even begin to think about the horrors of that. As the mother of a 20 something son who’s outgoing and very handsome I worry a lot about what could happen to him if any of his actions were interpreted differently than intended or gawd forbid falsely accused.
Like many societal changes the pendulum swings way way over until it rights itself with a new (usually more moderate) normal. Until it does, there are victims on both sides who can legitimately say “it’s not fair”. They quite simply were in the wrong place in time.
Susan
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 20, 2017 - 04:50pm PT
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Any one of you, out there, RIGHT NOW, who hasn't grabbed a butt. . . or a face. . . or the back of a neck. . . stand up and be counted!
I'll stand, absolutely. I'll also add that this comment is little different from saying "all Muslims are terrorists," or, "all gays are pedophiles." You may have cause, I don't know, but you should be careful with the all caps, IMO.
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ExfifteenExfifteen
climber
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Dec 20, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
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this comment is little different from saying "all Muslims are terrorists,"
Isn't that what all the regular poster think on the taco? That's the impression they have made to me.
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