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nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 15, 2015 - 10:04am PT
show off with the flip.
squishy

Mountain climber
Dec 15, 2015 - 10:29am PT
Don't be jelly...lol go practice..

totally unsafe flights in my neighborhood, that was a 4 cell minon on KISS18 and cobras. A quick little bird with a power to weight ratio that would make any craft cry, yet I still have a better one I just finished..I told them we really need to shoot these in a park next time to ripsomeballz! .com
squishy

Mountain climber
Dec 17, 2015 - 02:56pm PT
http://www.popsci.com/airplanes-hit-more-turtles-than-drones?src=SOC&dom=fb

http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/263164-critics-threaten-lawsuit-over-faa-drone-registration-rules

And:

Dear AMA Members,

Yesterday, the AMA Executive Council unanimously approved an action plan to relieve and further protect our members from unnecessary and burdensome regulations. This plan addresses the recently announced interim rule requiring federal registration of all model aircraft and unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) weighing between 0.55 and 55 pounds.

AMA has long used a similar registration system with our members, which we pointed out during the task force deliberations and in private conversations with the FAA. As you are aware, AMA's safety program instructs all members to place his or her AMA number or name and address on or within their model aircraft, effectively accomplishing the safety and accountability objectives of the interim rule. AMA has also argued that the new registration rule runs counter to Congress' intent in Section 336 of the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, otherwise known as the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft."

The Council is considering all legal and political remedies to address this issue. We believe that resolution to the unnecessary federal registration rule for our members rests with AMA's petition before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. This petition, filed in August 2014, asks the court to review the FAA's interpretation of the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft." The central issue is whether the FAA has the authority to expand the definition of aircraft to include model aircraft; thus, allowing the agency to establish new standards and operating criteria to which model aircraft operators have never been subject to in the past.

In promulgating its interim rule for registration earlier this week, the FAA repeatedly stated that model aircraft are aircraft, despite the fact that litigation is pending on this very question. The Council believes the FAA's reliance on its interpretation of Section 336 for legal authority to compel our members to register warrants the Court's immediate attention to AMA's petition.

While we continue to believe that registration makes sense at some threshold and for flyers operating outside of a community-based organization or flying for commercial purposes, we also strongly believe our members are not the problem and should not have to bear the burden of additional regulations. Safety has been the cornerstone of our organization for 80 years and AMA's members strive to be a part of the solution.

As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft.

Holding off on registration will allow AMA time to fully consider all possible options. On a parallel track, it also allows AMA to complete ongoing conversations with the FAA about how best to streamline the registration process for our members.

In the near future, we will also be asking our members to make their voices heard by submitting comments to the FAA's interim rule on registration. We will follow-up soon with more detailed information on how to do this.

Thank you for your continued support of AMA. We will provide you with more updates as they become available.

Kind regards,

The AMA Executive Council

zBrown

Ice climber
Dec 17, 2015 - 05:29pm PT
I will withhold judgment until Trump comments on it, but I will observe that an errant drone almost caused an accident on the freeway in which someone could have died by striking an automobile traveling at 50 mph
squishy

Mountain climber
Dec 18, 2015 - 11:03pm PT
http://www.popsci.com/airplanes-hit-more-turtles-than-drones?src=SOC&dom=fb

"This fits into a larger portrait of how bad people are at assessing risk, whether that of plane crashes, cyberterrorist attacks, or even the liklihood of rain. Drones are new and easy to fear, while turtles are ancient and an accepted part of life. If a turtle on a runway isn’t that scary, maybe a drone flown five miles away from an airport shouldn’t be, either" -Kelsey D. Atherton
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 22, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
Gravity doesn't sleep:

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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 23, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
In a World Cup ski race yesterday Austrian champ Marcel Hirscher was very
nearly hit by a drone carrying a TV camera when it crashed! Nice!

Oops! Chaz beat me! Damn! That thing was huge! Luckily he is fast as
a lot of other racers woulda been hit!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 23, 2015 - 01:59pm PT
Be afraid,

Very afraid!

Land drones!

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Tung Gwok

Mountain climber
South Bend, Indiana
Dec 24, 2015 - 07:41am PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/12/24/rogue-toy-drones-interfering-with-military-operations/
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:30pm PT
The earth abides:
craig morris

Trad climber
la
Jan 3, 2016 - 07:49pm PT
Lloyd Campbell

Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
Jan 3, 2016 - 08:37pm PT
I will withhold judgment until Trump comments on it, but I will observe that an errant drone almost caused an accident on the freeway in which someone could have died by striking an automobile traveling at 50 mph


It's pretty funny everyones so bent about the odd drone flying anywhere when, at any given time, about 75% of the people. driving 80+ mph around you on the highway are reading their email and sending inane texts instead of paying attention. I bet I see those idiots swerving in and out of their lanes about 80% of the time I'm driving on the highway. The odds one of those guys is going to take you out is so incredibly more likely, it's mind boggling. But lets act like drones are SO scary!!! Amazing.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 3, 2016 - 08:48pm PT

I pulled out the binocs for this one to make sure that there was no pattern traffic on the 45 entering the downwind for 8.

There wasn't.

Lloyd Campbell

Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
Jan 3, 2016 - 09:10pm PT
Oh Lloyd! There you go again.

That might be the most kettle and pot comment I've ever seen on any online forum.
Certainly in the top five all time. :-) :-)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 3, 2016 - 09:13pm PT
As is our wont we went down to the end of the Rose Bowl Parade route to see the Stealth
Bomber fly down Colorado Blvd. Been doing this for 20+ years. About halfway along the
route we could see the bomber as a sliver suddenly bank about 15 degrees and swerve!
This is not a maneuver you want to do in a plane that size only 400' above the ground!
The rest of the way towards us it flew well off the centerline of the boulevard. There had
to have been a drone involved. I can't imagine any other reason for the
B-2 to make such a drastic maneuver so close to the ground. I'm not surprised
there's been nothing from the Air Force on this.
squishy

Mountain climber
Jan 3, 2016 - 10:17pm PT
So they fly a B2 bomber below 500 feet, which is typically unlawful to do for a lot of reasons, and then you are surprised when they run into one of those reasons? Got it, lol
squishy

Mountain climber
Jan 3, 2016 - 10:18pm PT
They are the ones with souls on-board...who's the dumb one?
squishy

Mountain climber
Jan 6, 2016 - 09:54am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Tung Gwok

Mountain climber
South Bend, Indiana
Jan 14, 2016 - 05:16am PT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/01/13/you-may-be-powerless-to-stop-a-drone-from-hovering-over-your-own-yard/
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 14, 2016 - 09:10am PT
The truth lies somewhere between that click-bait title and how this sorts itself out. Boggs is pretty well known in the community. The accusation that he was using this to perv or spy is not adding up. At all. Many of my business associates in the community are contributing to his lawsuit for reasons I will lay out below.

The heart of his suit is this:

He argues in a lawsuit filed this month in U.S. District Court in Louisville that Merideth did not have the right to shoot the craft down because the government controls every inch of airspace in America.

And I believe that this is why he will lose the case. In the strictest sense of defining the NAS he's correct. However, we, as private citizens have a "reasonable right to privacy". That has been established in the couts. What has not been established is what that means in terms of this new technology. It's time that happenes.

So hopefully this court case at the very least, though even in a loss by Mr. Boggs, begins to define our rights to privacy while at the same time establishing where and how sUA operators can and cannot operate.

This technology is not going away. Just ask Amazon and Google. Thus this has to get sorted out.

I'm not contributing to Boggs' case but I do support him for taking one for the team. I do not support those that think they can just whip out a gun and start shooting. There are proper recourse's within the eyes of the law and they must be understood by everyone.

One of my commercial vehicles - N627KX - is considered to be the same as a manned aircraft. If you shoot at it or shoot it down you can be looking at $500K in fines and 10 years in jail.

Is that right? HELL NO. That penalty for that criminal offense was put in place for manned vehicles. But right now that's the law. So again, something else that needs to be sorted out in the courts.

And all this reminds me I need to call the Chief of Police here in Boulder back as in an effort of community outreach I'm working towards getting everyone to be on the same page.
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