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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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As long as everyone's a consenting adult, why not three or four sharing the union of marriage? I agree-why not? As long as the legal aspect of polygamy are sorted out, I see no reason to prohibit polygamy between consenting adults.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I'm not worried about any *slippery slope* Norton.
I'm just curious what moral justification there is now for denying the right of marriage to any consenting adults - because I can't think of any.
There are people right now doing time in prison for simply being married.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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No, Chaz, they arent. They are in jail for statutory rape. That's why the guys are in jail, and not the women.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Can a man marry another man if they are cousins? Women?
What about this?
Jerry Lee, 22
Myra, 13
But Jerry Lee didn't think that what he did that December day in 1957 was immoral. Heck, it wasn't illegal—or even unusual—where he came from. But when the world learned five months later that Lewis, 22, had married his 13-year-old second cousin, Myra Gale Brown, the shock waves put Jerry Lee's career in a tailspin
Where you from Jerry?
Can Jerry Lee marry Elvis? Of course not, Elvis is dead. As is Nick Adams. Hmmmmm?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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what eKat said.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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As long as everyone's a consenting adult, why not three or four sharing the union of marriage?
I agree-why not? As long as the legal aspect of polygamy are sorted out, I see no reason to prohibit polygamy between consenting adults.
Now we get to the heart of it. What is "marriage"?
That two women or two men can now marry might carry a lot of emotional weight (on either side of the issue) doesn't mean that "marriage", in the law of the US, is really any different. If Jack dies, or is taken to the ER, Joe now has the same rights as Joanne.
No matter that this drives some people to apoplexy, marriage is no different now than it was a week ago. Two people, a legal contract. End of story.
But polygamy/polyandry is a different story, and there is a lot of legal jungle to be fought through before "marriage" can accommodate more than two people.
On a religious basis, any church can marry any number of people in whatever ceremony it chooses. I can "marry" my dog and my cat in a ceremony in my basement. You can marry a man and a woman in your church on the corner of !st and Main. Neither of which carries any weight whatsoever when the court convenes.
But if that ceremony also has the stamp of your local or state government, then everything is different. Most of the countries in the first world have laws that allow partners in a marriage rights not available to unmarried partners. But none of them acknowledges more than two partners in a marriage.
So how do we deal with three partners? Or four? Or seven?
Some interesting discussion ahead.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Marriage is dead anyways.
Maybe in your eyes. Or mine. Or in the eyes of the sheep that Ron Anderson is eyeing. But in the eyes of the law, it is anything but dead.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Marriage is wonderful. Everyone should have the right to enjoy it.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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What is "marriage"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_license
In 1903 only a few states had adopted a marriage license scheme, yes scheme because that is what it is used for today. This quote comes from the link below that provides the truth of the history of the American Marriage License. Prepare for a lesson:)
http://macquirelatory.com/Marriage%20License%20Truth.htm
Very educational!(for me) As a christian i no longer respect/disrespect the validity of the American "marriage system". How i ever allowed THEIR LAW to disrupt my conscious? Forgive me Lord?!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Ken M, are you saying pedophilia should be made legal?
Edit: I don't think you are. But what are you saying?
the issue of pedophiles was brought up in a thread about gays.
Why? Because there is a long history of equating the two.
the fact is that pedophiles are a separate species from heterosexual or homosexual.
And the hidden agenda of trying to link the two is rather disgusting. It has resulted in a very long campaign against gays in an attempt to stamp out/catch/eradicate pedophiles. Which, rather predictably, has been a huge failure. In fact, by creating a diversion AWAY from pedophiles, it has cause far, far more damage upon children. And that is all on conservatives.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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the fact is that pedophiles are a separate species from homosexual.
That's your opinion. ANd Untrue!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Referring to the famous musician Jerry Lee marrying his 13 year old 2nd cousin:
Many states in the union allow you to marry your second cousin. Not a big deal. Even California does. The problem was probably the age issue. She was 13. However, many cultures marry off their daughters after puberty when they can sexually and developmentally have children. Very common in The Good Book.
Joseph was probably in his early 30s when he married Marium (not Mary) who was probably close to the age of 13 or so. Very common. That is why Marium later is a widow and single at the time of Yeshua's crucifixion.
G-d obviously favored this Union. Who are we to judge here in the West with a divorce rate of 50% or more and now allowing Gay marriage? G-d's not fooled.
We live in a time when Good is called evil, and evil is called Good. Everything seems to be going backwards.
"As in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man."
Yeshua HaMashiach speaking of his return.
The days of Noah were incredibly sinful, immoral, and decadent. Gay marriage was the least of it ... Read the Book of Enoch to know how bad it was.
Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when Son of man is revealed.”
Jesus, The Days of Noah, and same sex Marriage
http://www.gcmwatch.com/4361/jesus-the-days-of-noah-and-same-sex-marriage
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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You keep yapping this stuff
about your god and books as
if it means something.
Your god lost,
get over it.
The Goddess
of love
has returned.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Lol. I don't think so.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Lol, I know so.
Feel the love
Mr.think so?
Embrace the
Goddess of LOVE
and put down them
books of speculation.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"the fact is that pedophiles are a separate species from homosexual."
"That's your opinion. ANd Untrue!"
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FECKING KIDDING ME.
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dirtbag
climber
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. Many states in the union allow you to marry your second cousin. Not a big deal. Even California does. The problem was probably the age issue. She was 13. However, many cultures marry off their daughters after puberty when they can sexually and developmentally have children. Very common in The Good Book.
Joseph was probably in his early 30s when he married Marium (not Mary) who was probably close to the age of 13 or so. Very common. That is why Marium later is a widow and single at the time of Yeshua's crucifixion.
G-d obviously favored this Union. Who are we to judge here in the West with a divorce rate of 50% or more and now allowing Gay marriage? G-d's not fooled.
We live in a time when Good is called evil, and evil is called Good. Everything seems to be going backwards.
"As in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man."
Yeshua HaMashiach speaking of his return.
The days of Noah were incredibly sinful, immoral, and decadent. Gay marriage was the least of it ... Read the Book of Enoch to know how bad it was.
Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when Son of man is revealed.”
Irrelevant. This is not a theocracy.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Youth Conversing with Suitors
Youth Conversing with Suitors
Illustration from Jami, "Seven Thrones"
Persia, 1556
The study of cultures different from one's own can give insights into different ways of viewing the world and different ways of organizing society. Just as man/boy love has been the primary form of homoeroticism throughout most of Western history, it has also been an important cultural institution in many different places around the world. From the pederasty of the ancient Mediterranean world to the "contemplation of the unbearded" practiced in Sufi Islam, to the Chinese "passion of the cut sleeve" (named after the story of emperor Ai, who reputedly cut off his sleeve rather than disturb the sleep of his beloved), to the insemination rituals of Melanesia, to the two-spirit traditions of North America, man/boy love has been socially accepted in many forms.
In some societies man/boy love has been highly formalized and prescribed, while in others it has been merely an open, accepted practice free of sanctions. The post-industrial West is unique in it's degree of intolerance toward man/boy love.
Cultural studies of sexual behavior, including many on-line articles, are replete with descriptions of diverse manifestations of man/boy love. The handful of articles linked below, excerpted from NAMBLA publications, is intended to supplement this rich literature.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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You are right it isn't a Theocracy, but our rule of Law, Western Law, has had its genesis derived from The Mosaic Law of the OT, and reaffirmed in the NT, from the Judeo-Christian faith, ...
That is up until now. Dong. G-d help us. We need all the help we can get. We are living in, like, "The Days of Noah."
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