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couchmaster
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I pay a bunch of other peoples healthcare bill. 100 percent. They will soon discover that the $20 deductible they are getting has been outlawed by the healthcare act and the best they can do is in the thousands. Should be interesting when they learn 2 things:
1st) We can not absorb the huge increase in cost, it will have to be on them.
2nd) The awesome deductible they have been getting will be gone, forced out by the new law. Google "Cadillac plan". There will most likely be a Republican President when the Cadillac plan is slated to be implemented, so maybe it won't occur if they change the law.
Craig, you and I both want single payer funded via income taxes, and I don't disagree on the shenanigans both sides conducted, but this current BS is at least 90% on the democrats.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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The ACA was supposed to have been fixed with cost controls
But the Republicans wouldn't allow any cost controls to be implemented since they have been bought by the Insurance Companies
I guess it's anonymous, we all want Single Payer, where we would all pay less than a third of what we pay now
The only impediment are those nasty Republicans in Congress that all being bribed by the insurance Companies
Would repealing ObamaCare help?
No, the prices will just go higher still
This tired old "it's the Republicans fault" talking point is pathetic.
How many Republicans voted for the bill?
You would have to be an idiot to want to go back to the non-regulated insurance times.
Back then, I had better coverage, significantly lower premiums and the rate increases were never above 10 percent.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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^ completely clueless
This tired old "it's Obama's fault" talking point is pathetic.
How long will you guys still use that lie?
The prices went up because there are NO COST CONTROLS
and inflation
Why are there NO COST CONTROLS??????????
Obama and the Dems wanted Cost controls, but there are none, WHY?
They can implement them tomorrow. Why won't they?
Don't the Repubs care about poor little Sketch?
Republicans helped write the bill, then didn't vote for it.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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I forget how amusing you can be. Thanks for posting.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Fry ^^^^^^^ + 1000 A yea, ...... now i'm not saying that the unadulterated "Obama" care would work better because frankly I don't really know what was in the original package. But after the Republicans got done sabotaging it, the Health Care lobbists got done making sure they can make lots of money off it, what do you expect? Personally, I think it's a disaster and milks what's left of the middle class even harder than before. Travesty is a word that comes to mind. BUT, the idea that a pure market run Health Care System would bring lower prices to the middle class is ridiculous.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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In this case it is Obama's fault - he's in the pocket of the private healthcare insurance industry and so long as corporations are driving basic healthcare delivery in this country we're going to be f*#ked - no other developed nation allows this form of greed and puts their entire population of families at risk of bankruptcy over a single healthcare crisis. Let them deliver premium insurance above what's offered by the basic - but all premiums and claims clear through a single clearinghouse. Anything else is absolute insanity.
At this point, every citizen - cradle-to-grave - is now just considered a big-data debt mule carrying a pre-calculated load of student loan, auto, credit card, mortgage, and healthcare debt.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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^^^^^^You are right about that. Obama has not done us any favors...he owe's too much to too many(like many a politician). A sad state of affairs in this nation to be sure.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Obama's fault - he's in the pocket of the private healthcare insurance industry
link please
I call BS
Obama didn't even Write the Law, Congress did.............
and this is the goal of the Republican Party
every citizen - cradle-to-grave - is now just considered a big-data debt mule carrying a pre-calculated load of student loan, auto, credit card, mortgage, and healthcare debt.
This is just a product of Reaganomics and conservative policies
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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My god Craig. Try to get a grip on reality. Your much better off tending to the cacti and zippering the electronic mouth.
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Norton
Social climber
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I believe that almost no one has actually either read the entire ACA or even
a 20 page summary. Because of this lack of comprehension and lack of intellectual curiosity to know what they are talking about before talking about.......
I have, all 3000 pages. I am no expert but I believe I understand the major tenants of the legislation, how it greatly deregulates insurance markets by allowing them to compete across state lines for the consumer's business, how eliminating the terrible willingness to say no to people with pre existing conditions (tens of millions) by increasing the number of insured to even out the insurance company risk pools.
Expanding Medicaid brings tens of millions who did not have insurance into play,
in the past they simply went to the emergency rooms for everything and that cost was paid by your tax dollars by the Federal government. By now having insurance those people can see a regular doctor or specialist which is more cost effective.
The ACA never promised to "reduce" anyone's monthly premiums, but the effect of encouraging more company's to compete has had the not intended but now welcome effect of, in general, mitigating the 40-60% outrageous annual increases of the past.
The ACA probably has no effect, nothing to do with you personally if you already have insurance through your employer other than no longer can be be denied coverage.
Why not google "ACA summary" and take a few minutes to actually read and start to understand the how's and why's behind the legislation, takes so little of one's time.
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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healyje, thank you.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Craig Fry, this is where your naivete and blind support for the Democratic party gets the better of you. Obama is "owned" by the large agrochemical and Health Care Industry. And of course this isn't widely publicized...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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healyje & Norton get it. F is pretty close, too.
Sketch, you are just droiding as usual.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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The ACA never promised to "reduce" anyone's monthly premiums, but the effect of encouraging more company's to compete has had the not intended but now welcome effect of, in general, mitigating the 40-60% outrageous annual increases of the past.
My experience has been the opposite. Before Obamacare, my annual increases were less than 10 percent. Now they're averaging 70 percent.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Did Obama write the LAW?
No, Congress did
so I am correct
Obama is not "owned by insurance companies and big agro"
if he was, then things would be a lot different
he took money from them yes, every politician takes money from these people
unfortunately, I am the only person on this site that keeps up on Progressive liberal news, everyone else gets their news from the MSM
which makes me an easy target for abuse because I am the only one up on the latest info and the inside scoop not reported
Instead you all repeat the lies told by the Repubs and MSM and then call me wrong
Some of you should make an effort to at least try and know the truth,
Listen to Progressive radio or watch Freespeech TV, please
I'm terrified at the lack of insight.
I may be wrong about Obama being bought, but that is NOT the Point
If he is Bought, then he is just implementing Conservative Policies
That's the problem... conservative policies
They're killing us and robbing us blind
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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I had to get Sirius/XM radio to get the Progressive station after the local station was bought out by Clear Channel and converted to the Patriot right wing hate talk radio station
They lost money on the switch, but they don't care
there is a clear effort by he right wing to silence progressive radio
They don't want us to hear the other side
They want us to hear their controlled message of liberals = bad
They want complete control of the air waves, and may get it
again thanks to Reagan by allowing the big companies to buy up all the small independents
Almost anyone that listens to it will quickly become a Liberal Dem after they find out how f*#ked we are from 35 years of Conservative policies
The same policies that make our Insurance costs so high
and keep us in debt
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Just callin' 'em like I see 'em, Sketchster.
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John M
climber
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Back then, I had better coverage, significantly lower premiums and the rate increases were never above 10 percent.
Because of pre existing conditions, I had no hope of ever getting health insurance again, unless I was completely broke. So no hope of trying to build a future as I would be one more hospitalization away from bankruptcy. Which has happened to me twice. By the third time, I was poor enough to qualify for help.
Look up the cost of such things are MRIs in other countries. A couple of hundred dollars, versus 1000s here.
Profit doesn't belong in healthcare.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Keep fighting the good fight, Craig, and posting the truth. Not easy for the brainwashed minions to accept. They want government by the talk yakkers, which is no government at all.
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dirtbag
climber
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I always thought the ACA should've been nicknamed "Pelosicare."
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