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Norton

Social climber
Mar 15, 2017 - 01:28pm PT
"the SSA [Social Security Administration] promulgated a final rule that would require the names of all Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefit recipients – who, because of a mental impairment, use a representative payee to help manage their benefits – be submitted to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is used during gun purchases.

Jgill - the regulation requires the name of that person be filed as a "flag" for further consideration prior to perhaps being issued a license to buy a firearm

the regulation does not say they will be denied a license automatically

good law, because certainly SOME people Do have such significant mental instability to be diagnosed as "mentally disabled" and thus eligible for that particular SS payment
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Mar 15, 2017 - 01:34pm PT
"But, Delana also has learned, if the Obama regulations had been in place when Weathers bought her weapon, they would not have barred her purchase because she received and managed her own Social Security disability checks"


It's the background check system that's at fault, not the Obama regulation.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 15, 2017 - 01:37pm PT
"the SSA [Social Security Administration] promulgated a final rule that would require the names of all Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefit recipients – who, because of a mental impairment, use a representative payee to help manage their benefits – be submitted to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is used during gun purchases.

We oppose this rule because it advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent. There is no data to support a connection between the need for a representative payee to manage one's Social Security disability benefits and a propensity toward gun violence... the rule automatically conflates one disability-related characteristic, that is, difficulty managing money, with the inability to safely possess a firearm."

Thank you John.

I'm puzzled that you use the ACLU argument, which is merely based on concern about a stereotype.....or said another way, "political correctness".

I have never read of a situation where a mentally deficient person accomplished anything good (personal protection, stopping a robbery,etc) with a gun.

On the other hand, I see all the time, mentally deficient people attacking the police, and being killed. (they haven't had guns, so generally not with those).

I will also note that most of the Presidential Assassins of my lifetime, were mentally deficient people, who got their hands on a gun. (all before the prohibition)

One other note: In an extensive reporting job on fatal shootings by police (where there was deemed to be a risk to life), about 10% were mentally ill people.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Mar 15, 2017 - 01:45pm PT
IMO the background check system needs to be more rigorous, although even there an unfounded and mean-spirited accusation of domestic violence would keep an otherwise qualified buyer from a purchase. Complicated issue. (although not so for the far right and far left I guess)

That's about all I can contribute to the issue.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Mar 15, 2017 - 02:04pm PT
"EVERYONE is going to have coverage, at a FRACTION of the cost, and it's going to be SO EASY."
Donald Trump, 2016

"NO ONE KNEW, that healthcare would be so COMPLICATED."
Donald Trump, 2017
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Mar 15, 2017 - 02:11pm PT
Republicans, doing everything in their power to get as many guns in the wrong hands as possible. They are basically a wing of the gun lobby.
Norton

Social climber
Mar 15, 2017 - 02:50pm PT
John Boehner was right when he said his Republicans will NOT repeal the ACA.

He said Republicans simply cannot "govern", as in agree upon and pass into law legislation
that repeals the Affordable Care Act.

And the reason they will not is because congressional Republicans are too divided.

1/3 of them want virtually NO government involvement in healthcare, just let em die
so they will not vote for the Ryan plan, or really, any plan

1/3 of them are very afraid of not being re elected due to the heat they will face if they vote
to throw 25 million Americans off their present healthcare

and the other 1/3 are "moderate" Republicans, generally in favor of retaining the ACA's Medicaid expansion of some 14 million Americans getting "government" healthcare and liking
the idea of requiring insurance companies to insure those with (expensive) pre existing conditions but know that eliminating the Mandate removes precious dollars from the pools

given all that, it is looking like prior House Speaker John Boehner is going to be proven right when he said the Republicans will NOT repeal the ACA because they can't get their act together

therefore - "Obamacare" will continue to be largely intact and the law of the land
because Republicans only know how to do one thing, say no, and don't know to "govern"
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Mar 15, 2017 - 02:55pm PT
Here in Colorado a recent poll showed that 54% want ACA repaired while 41% prefer it be replaced. Members of the party in power running around with their pants on fire. Go with Lamar Alexander's suggestion, congress. Hopeless.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Mar 15, 2017 - 02:56pm PT
The pill that the Republicans are having a tough time choking down is admitting that ObamaCare really was a very good crack at solving the health care conundrum this country has created by allowing private corporations to take over health care.

But the orange shitgibbon will negotiate us out of the problem.
Norton

Social climber
Mar 15, 2017 - 03:16pm PT
It is now called "TRUMPCARE"

and the Repubs will own healthcare and all its damn problems from now forward.

They promised their base for eight years they would repeal the ACA

and they are facing being thrown out of office if they don't repeal the ACA

they also face being thrown out of office if they DO repeal the ACA

because their replacement plan WILL be much worse in terms of human suffering

they are screwed, and they did this to themselves by shooting their mouths off for 8 years

fuk em, they deserve what is coming their way.....
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 15, 2017 - 03:34pm PT
In the spirit of bipartisan cooperation I forgive you and I accept your apology Jody..
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Mar 15, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
Make America Mean Again.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 15, 2017 - 04:32pm PT
Looks like a judge has temporarily frozen Muslim ban 2.0.
c wilmot

climber
Mar 15, 2017 - 05:12pm PT
It's odd people want to call the travel ban a "Muslim" ban when none of these nations are purely Islamic. You would not call the USA a "Christian" nation- so why use such religious labeling in countries like Syria?

It's just more hypocrisy
Norton

Social climber
Mar 15, 2017 - 05:19pm PT
really?

I have never the United States referred to as anything but a "Christian Nation", speaking religiously

and while it is true that not every single individual in those six banned countries is Muslim
it IS very that the religious percentage and identify of those countries IS overwhelmingly Muslim

not hard to understand is it
zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 15, 2017 - 05:19pm PT
Nonetheless the ban is aimed at Muslims. Read your history and review what Trump said in the campaign.

Unless ofcourse you agree that Trump never means what he says. Nor does he know what he is talking about.



TOP REPUBLICAN CONFIRMS THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TRUMP WAS WIRETAPPED



Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Mar 15, 2017 - 05:21pm PT
It's odd people want to call the travel ban a "Muslim" ban

He promised a Muslim ban in no uncertain terms. Sometimes you have to take responsibility for your words. Responsibility is a new concept for the right wing.
c wilmot

climber
Mar 15, 2017 - 05:21pm PT
No it's aimed at countries.

You don't get to redefine reality to suit whatever agenda you are pushing.

If you want to say they are Muslim nations- then you must insist the US be considered a Christian nation

Don't be hypocrites
Norton

Social climber
Mar 15, 2017 - 05:24pm PT
U.S. District Judge Derrick Watson said sections of the new travel order likely amounted to a violation of the First Amendment’s establishment clause, which forbids the government from disfavoring certain religions over others.

Watson gave short shrift to the Trump administration’s argument that the new restrictions applied to a “small fraction” of the world’s 50 predominantly Muslim nations ― and thus could not be read to discriminate Muslims specifically.

“The illogic of the Government’s contentions is palpable,” Watson wrote. “The notion that one can demonstrate animus toward any group of people only by targeting all of them at once is fundamentally flawed.”
The judge also discarded the government’s defense that the text of the new executive order was silent on religion, supposedly solving constitutional defects identified by courts with the first order.

“Any reasonable, objective observer would conclude ... that the stated secular purpose of the Executive Order is, at the very least, secondary to a religious objective of temporarily suspending the entry of Muslims,” Watson wrote.

edit: for example, Syria is roughly 75% Muslim, approx the same percentage who identify as Christians in the USA
c wilmot

climber
Mar 15, 2017 - 05:29pm PT
Any reasonable person would understand those countries have many people of various faiths. When did judges start using imagined citizens with assumed perceptions as the basis for enforcing the rule of law?

Norton- the left insist the US is NOT a Christian nation- hence the blatent hypocrisy. It's only being called a "Muslim" ban because it suits the agenda they are pushing- even though it's in direct contradiction to their long held beliefs about the US not being a Christian nation
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