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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 27, 2012 - 07:01pm PT
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Mine has 4 -15 rounders and 1-30
A steal at $5K
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 27, 2012 - 07:04pm PT
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Depends on which bank you rob. That's where they keep the money, you know.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 27, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
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I'm considering hocking a few at their inflated value.
If the price stays high redeem, if the bubble bursts say "keep 'em".
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 27, 2012 - 07:16pm PT
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Watch the idiots on Pawn Stars.
The way to get a good price on a "sale" at a pawnshop is to hock but not redeem.
The pawnbroker makes more interest off a bigger loan so he is more motivated to get the collateral.
The idiots that want to sell should act like it is a sentimental treasure they will never part with but they GOTTA have X number of dollars for a short time.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 27, 2012 - 07:33pm PT
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So PR, what happens if as some fear, owning those weapons and ammo becomes illegal? There will be no market then (legally). Is it still a good investment?
I ask sincerely. Not knowledgeable on gun markets.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 27, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
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Black markets don't typically bring lower prices. Of course one must take some risk to participate.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Dec 27, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
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It is called the Black Market. Every country has one. Just need to know where, whom and depending [A] they know you
B $$$$ do not know you and do not rip you off.[C] Kill you and take the $$$$.
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dave729
Sport climber
Placer
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Dec 27, 2012 - 07:48pm PT
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Home Security is usually enhanced by a warm nylon 6 thermoplastic polyamide handle containing a full magazine and a rifled barrel.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 27, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
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20 years ago when the Crime Bill threatened I saw a fearful gun owner worried about prohibition bring an HK 94 into a gun dealer who promptly gave him $1K.
The guy standing next to him said to the dealer, "What'll you sell it for?"
The dealer said $2K
Transaction went down in minutes without anybody batting an eye.
3 people, 2 were winners
Hint; I saw an HK 94 on gunbroker.com with 6 clips going for $6K+
Not gonna sell mine, but I have a complete set of spare parts and 50 hi-caps,.......
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 27, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
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Wow, somebody just deleted a lot of posts.
Tosser!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 27, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
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"What can we do NOW, that is EFFECTIVE?"
The only thing that would be effective NOW is outlawing guns
That's one way to debate, I suppose; simply assume away the problem.
Even if one could get a consensus on amending or repealing the Second Amendment to enact such a ban, there is scant evidence that such a ban would be effective in removing weapons from the hands of potential perpetrators. It seems rather more like naive and wishful thinking to me.
Again, the issue isn't whether removing guns from civilian hands would decrease gun crime. That's a truism. The issue is whether outlawing guns would actually reduce guns in civilian hands, and in particular, in criminal hands. I think it's possible, but hardly a given.
John
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 27, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
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Hedge you keep trying to make an equivalency between slavery and gun ownership. That is hogwash.
You have made the point, often made, that our founders had among them slave owners. You understand of course, that the eventual abolition of slavery was set in motion by these same men.
The often misunderstood 1790 census counted slaves as 3/5 of a man. At face value this seems wrong, but the reason it was done was to insure that the first House of Representatives had a northern state majority. This was vital if slavery were to go, and they knew it.
It was written into the Constitution that the slave trade was protected for 20 years, meaning that so long as the northern states could hold their majority the importing of slaves would end in 1808, which it did. The stage was set for seccesion and we all have a rough idea what happenned.
Then of course there are the absolutely clear words of the Declaration of Independance.
I believe the founders wanted to liberate the country of slavery, and being practical men made the best deals they could to set this process in motion while building and preserving the union.
So at the same time that they were sowing the seeds to end slavery, they were very clear that there is a right to keep and bear arms. They did not say "for 20 years."
You focus on the preamble statement to spin the words to suit your argument. But a preamble is just that, and the statement which follows is crystal clear: "the right of the people...shall not be infringed." It does not say "The right of the Government to issue arms to the people for a cause..." Now what do you think is the reference in the preamble to "a free state?" The federal government? Not a chance.
The other thing you keep going off on is this fantasy about armed conflict between gun owners and an oppressive government. The best way to bring this about is to have an oppressive government which decides to disarm it's citizens. If you think the government will do that out of benevolence you are naive.
You are correct that a direct conflict between a group of citizens with small arms and an attack helicopter is not going to go well for the citizens. What you are missing here is the concept of liberty - that if the government can be held through the political process to respect the right to keep and bear arms this conflict need never occur.
Norton is interesting, a liberal who has a CCW. Most of what he proposes as sensible regulation I agree with 100%. My brother earned his CCW in Boston Mass. It was a real challenge for him, as I think it should be.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 27, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
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Not gonna sell mine, but I have a complete set of spare parts and 50 hi-caps,.......
Everyone has their price.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 27, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
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Reserve price $200K
But I'll throw in a case of ammo which, these days, might be worth more.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 27, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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just another sellout. I'm Dissapointed you said you wouldn't sell yours.
EDIT: You should get into politics.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 27, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
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But aren't the nutters gonna make a stand?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 27, 2012 - 10:06pm PT
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Toker wouldn't fire off his wealth anyway.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 27, 2012 - 10:28pm PT
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So just to be clear, you advocate:
A tyrannical government which would disarm people by force including lethal force from a distance. And you think that "what the military is for" is to enforce on American citizens your idea of what is right despite law and tradition.
Unfortunately Lincoln didn't have Apache helicopters
Fortunately Obama does
You are nuts, Hedge. The President does not have that power.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 27, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
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The fed never did order the states to form their militias.
They preexisted the confederation, (which came before the fed and the Constitution) which was powerless to do anything but beg the states for resources. The response was usually less than enthusiastic.
The militias of the era were purely local. The arsenal at Concord, the intended capture of which sparked the revolution, was the township of Concord's. The militia that slaughtered the retreating lobsterbacks also completely indigenous.
State involvement was purely in providing funds for arms and supplies and higher level officers that got their positions as political patronage and were mostly honorary. Any organized state involvement doesn't really start untill Breed's Hill. (AKA Bunker Hill, but the battle really happened on Breed's hill) Even then it was almost exclusively in funding artillery and uniforms. All the fighting units were organized at the village and township level and folded into Washington's army as cohesive units. State leadership / leaders were only accepted when effective and that was fairly rare.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Dec 27, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
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The NRA will wholeheartedly back any coup of the government as it is now constituted. That's the funny part.
TGT: The militias of the era were purely local. The arsenal at Concord, the intended capture of which sparked the revolution, was the township of Concord's. The militia that slaughtered the retreating lobsterbacks also completely indigenous.
Good thing we didn't listen to the conservatives in 1776, isn't it?
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