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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 26, 2016 - 10:54pm PT
So I have this question: Who IS the President?


At least as long as I've been alive to remember, there has been a tradition with the President-elect: "There is only one President". Those words have been spoken by every one of them when asked about an issue before the inauguration. I have been astonished that Trump has gotten involved with Israel, and with China issues, in direct contradiction of the sitting President. I suppose this is just another form of "political correctness" on the part of all these previous leaders of both parties, and the wisdom involved in it is just worth throwing overboard.

This conversation between right and left commentators borders on the unimaginable:

JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, in addition to Israel, what we were sitting here talking about nuclear policy because Donald Trump tweeted, as far as we can tell, out of the blue yesterday, David, that the United States needs to beef up its nuclear arsenal. He did an interview with Mika Brzezinski of NBC this morning and I’m just reading the quote here. He said, “Let it be an arms race, we will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all.”

So, what does this say?

DAVID BROOKS: Yes, one of the things I think about with Donald Trump is what are his words actually attached to? With a normal president like President Obama, he says a word, and that’s because there has been some thought that he’s done and there had been policy papers and there’s been aides and there’s been advisors and then there is a connection to an actual set of policies. And so, the words like have roots into actual stuff.

With Trump, I’m not sure the words have roots. They are emanations of his psyche, but has he thought it through? Is there an argument, is there a policy implication?

Even in this nuclear thing, he says we should be stronger and expand. What does that mean? So, what is concrete in what he’s saying?

And I think as we interpret him and frankly as the world learns to interpret Donald Trump, are these just words that are enigmatic things floating on air or are they actually shifts in policy and will they change moment by moment, day by day without any underlying connection to the actual stuff of governance? I don’t know.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Mark, we’re talking about nuclear arms policy. This is something that in the past, it was something that people spent time thinking about before statements were made. You know, you said a minute ago, you think he’s keeping everybody off balance. Is this a deliberate strategy?

MARK SHIELDS: Well, I think that’s part of it. The points David make I think really deserve reflection and consideration. I think Donald Trump, we have to understand, has not had experiences like any other president we’ve ever had. He’s never been accountable to anybody, save Donald Trump.

I mean, he has no investors. He has — he has debtors, but he doesn’t have a board of directors. He doesn’t have a corporate structure he’s had to answer to. So he’s been able to kind of wing it at every stage.

I just don’t think he understands — the point David was making is when a president makes a statement, Judy, it is studied around the world, the nuance and was there an emphasis here, and what was in the last statement that’s missing — perhaps overly done, maybe overly analyzed. But because the president’s words are pretentious, they really carry with them enormous significance and are usually reflective of great consideration and even arguments within that one side is wanted, one particular paragraph or sentence, while the other said, no, that shouldn’t be in there.

So, I just think that Trump — he has not made the transition, it seems to me, from candidate to even president in waiting. He has been a sore winner. He continues to in his rallies to berate Hillary Clinton. That sense of gracious, generosity or larger vision has eluded him so far.

DAVID BROOKS: And — so I would say, given, as Mark describes, sort of — he’s not part of a process. And so, I think there are two things that could happen as a result of this.

One, it’s possible to imagine him having relatively little influence on his own government because he will be off in his own world and the agencies and the permanent bureaucracy will just go on and do its merry way. There is a lot of passive aggressive behavior in all governments. It’s very hard to get things done.

But at the same time, because he’s not tied down, there could be a lot of erraticness and he could get caught up, just the macho thing, especially, let’s say Vladimir Putin, or somebody like that, and then more and more erratic with, you know, potentially, some sort of nuclear weapons attached.
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Dec 26, 2016 - 11:16pm PT
Don't let the bastards get you down.

Yes, Obama will be missed...Obamacare, maybe not so much.
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Dec 27, 2016 - 06:35am PT
I suspect the Presidential transition will be like going from a disappointment to a disaster.
Trump's cabinet picks are dubious at best. If Trump loves winners why did he choose generals who have never won a war? Or bring in the Goldman gang? Or nominate Rick Perry for DOE?
The list goes on. Trump with good advisors might be workable, but with this crew?
c wilmot

climber
Dec 27, 2016 - 06:40am PT
The point is to prolong and enlargen our conflicts in order to profit off death. It's why we are now involved in three wars rather than the two Obama inherited.
Trump is simply cutting out the middle men by hiring former generals
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Dec 27, 2016 - 07:06am PT
Obama did not create ISIS.
ISIS, al-Qaeda, and other groups of their ilk trace their roots back to Afghanistan so the Soviets are one of the ultimate causes. The CIA, ISI, and Saudi Intelligence services provided them with a training, arming, and radicalization program to fight the Soviets.

ISIS was originally al-Qaeda in Iraq. The founder Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a known terrorist hiding out in Northern Kurdistan just before the American Iraq invasion. The CIA was there watching him. The CIA asked the White House twice for permission to take him and his followers out.
Bush said no.
According to the book Black Flags by Joby Warrick the CIA was turned down because the White House wanted to be able to point to him and say "Look there are known terrorists in Iraq". This was just before Colin Powell's UN speech.
It is true that the Obama administration was lax but the big corporations (govt, military, intelligence) are always slow in waking up to rapidly changing realities. They fight the same war over and over again hoping for different results.
And the Military-Industrial complex is always the only clear winner.
Norton

Social climber
Dec 27, 2016 - 07:20am PT
Don't let the bastards get you down.

Yes, Obama will be missed...Obamacare, maybe not so much.


I may well be wrong but I don't believe the Republicans have the guts to repeal the ACA

"repeal and replace" will not work as anything they replace it with will be worse

drop the mandate and the insurance companies immediately refuse to offer insurance
to people who will cost them more money - "preexisting conditions"

drop the Medicaid expansion and 18 million Americans lose their health insurance

drop the exchanges and another 7 million people lose the low income help and are not covered

people often don't know what they have until its gone, watch the sh#t hit the fan all over the US if the ACA is repealed
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 27, 2016 - 08:22am PT
Yes, I'd like thank him for signing the ICD10 codes law which was the deciding factor in getting
the wife to retire! Having 76,000 codes is really going to help deliver better medical care. But
It will provide lots a new jobs at Medicare so that if a practitioner doesn't cross an 'I' or dot a 't'
they can deny payment and thereby generate more job security paperwork during the appeal.
On the plus side all those people who have been hired at Medicare were saved from having to
get a job at McDonalds or TSA.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Dec 27, 2016 - 09:12am PT
Obama's recent claim about beating Trump if he ran is childish.

Not sure what he hoped to prove or achieve by stooping to Trump's level.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 27, 2016 - 09:39am PT
Obama's point was that the message of the democratic party is not the problem. The campaign, as waged by Hillary was. She didn't know any better than the 18 republican candidates about how to beat him.

And the reason he is putting out this message is that the democrats are now considering how to move forward. There is a large faction that is saying that they failed with a centrist message, and therefore they should lunge strongly to the extreme left.

Obama, a centrist, does not agree. (and for what it is worth, neither do I).
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Dec 27, 2016 - 09:43am PT
childish.

Wrong. It was a very appropriate comment as part of a lengthy and wide-ranging interview.

OBAMA: And -- and win back seats in the Senate. And -- and so, I understand what happened politically.
Two points I would make though, David, because obviously in the wake of the election and Trump winning, a lot of people have -- have suggested that somehow, it really was a fantasy. What I would argue is, is that the culture actually did shift, that the majority does buy into the notion of a one America that is tolerant and diverse and open and -- and full of energy and dynamism.
And -- and the problem is, it doesn't always manifest itself in politics, right? You know, I am confident in this vision because I'm confident that if I -- if I had run again and articulated it, I think I could've mobilized a majority of the American people to rally behind it.
I know that in conversations that I've had with people around the country, even some people who disagreed with me, they would say the vision, the direction that you point towards is the right one.
AXELROD: We're gonna take another short break and we'll be right back with the president.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/politics/axe-files-obama-transcript/
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 27, 2016 - 09:43am PT
I may well be wrong but I don't believe the Republicans have the guts to repeal the ACA

"repeal and replace" will not work as anything they replace it with will be worse

The GOP has a problem, here. The CANNOT allow a gov't program to be ongoing, that is associated directly with a democrat's name. Obama actually has said this a couple of times.

They have to have a change substantial enough to be able to credibly remove the "Obamacare" label....or as time goes on, he becomes enshrined.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Dec 27, 2016 - 10:44am PT
Monday morning quarterback.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 27, 2016 - 11:25am PT
Trump is handing the US to the oil companies and Wall Street - the very people he campaigned against. Pretty hard to drain the swamp when you put the alligators in charge of the job.

He's going to make Reagan look like a Kennedy.

Making America great again just the way Rockefeller, Morgan, Vanderbilt and Carnegie meant it to be.

The man is a psychopath and brilliant at playing the suckers.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Dec 27, 2016 - 11:27am PT
I may well be wrong

Well, if nothing else at least Norton has learned something from all this.
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Dec 27, 2016 - 11:32am PT
Shocking to think that Dick Nixon would be considered a communist by some of today's Republicans.
Founding the EPA
Bringing Communist China into the fold.
The Horror! The Horror!
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 27, 2016 - 11:56am PT
Not sure what he hoped to prove or achieve by stooping to Trump's level.

Maybe he was using the statement like a matador waves his cape at a raging bull. In other words, an attempt to distract DT the bull$hitter from tweeting taunts aimed at other countries and instead divert his attention to something less problematic to the world's security. God Himself help us if DT ever gets an itch in his crack about North Korea.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Mar 27, 2017 - 08:38pm PT
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jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Mar 27, 2017 - 08:45pm PT
I can sympathize.
slabbo

Trad climber
colo south
Mar 28, 2017 - 10:07am PT
I recently visited the WWI museum in KC, fascinating stuff...the initial film was showing how great the steel and coal industry was in America at the time....I think Trump wants things like that again.....
slabbo

Trad climber
colo south
Mar 28, 2017 - 11:02am PT
We can only hope for another "Taft moment"


Anybody think Trump has EVER been in a national park ????Ever ??

I guess his version or power and jobs for the country doesn't include renewables, NG,, clean air..or whatever ???

Idiot.
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