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StevenStrong
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Seattle, WA
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Sep 30, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
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I just went down to Santa Rose to ride in Levi's GrandFondo, my first time. It was an incredible event and the quality of the riders participating in the event was really amazing. There's a lot of good happening in cycling behind all the doping noise.
Steve
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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^^ Dee EE
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but can't we have a 600 post thread on Indurain first?
Does anybody know how much is bet on the TDF, as compared to say, horse races where drugs are not and never have been used?
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rottingjohnny
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mammoth lakes ca
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Nick d...According to Tyler Hamilton , Lance was just rubbing one out in the shower while the testers impatiently waited outside...Old news...
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nick d
Trad climber
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Old news...but still true.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Editor’s note: The following is an opinion piece submitted to VeloNews by former U.S. Postal Service rider Scott Mercier. Mercier retired from professional cycling in 1997 and in 2011 told VeloNews that a team doctor had offered him synthetic testosterone in the final year of his career. The UCI on Monday issued a press release defending its lawsuit against journalist Paul Kimmage, claiming that he “had made false accusations that defamed the UCI and its presidents, and which tarnished their integrity and reputation.”
The dethroning of the king, Lance Armstrong, by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency has given many hope that real change is possible for the sport of cycling. But the sport’s governing body, the UCI, led by the hapless Pat McQuaid and Hein Verbruggen, seems intent on continuing the charade. The entire world has come to accept that cycling has had a dark and sordid history with respect to doping, but the UCI refuses to acknowledge any responsibility. It is shameful that the UCI was not leading the effort to find the truth. Pat McQuaid, in particular, seems to get more desperate every time he utters a word.
His most recent action of suing journalist and renowned anti-doping crusader Paul Kimmage is just the latest example of an attempt to deny and cover up, rather than seek the truth. History suggests that the UCI did not provide protection for riders like Christophe Bassons and Filippo Simeoni, who chose to speak up and challenge the culture of doping. Rather, they were unceremoniously ushered out the door. It is time to invite athletes like them back to the sport to be a part of the solution. As a former rider for U.S. Postal, I would not have turned to the UCI for fear of the repercussions from the organization. Perhaps in my own small way I too contributed to the omerta in cycling.
The lack of comments by most of the peloton regarding the Armstrong saga suggest that the omerta is still alive and well and that the peloton is still ruled by fear. There is no small amount of irony in the fact that the sport is led today by a man who received a lifetime ban from Olympic competition for an act of willful deception and fraud by racing the Rapport Tour in apartheid South Africa during an international boycott. I also raced the Rapport Tour, but Nobel laureate Nelson Mandela was the head of state, not B.J. Vorster. Mr. Vorster was the head of the department of justice in South Africa when Nelson Mandela was sentenced to life in prison.
The UCI today appears to be governed in a similar manner as the apartheid regimes, ruled with oppression and fear. Many of today’s riders seem to be fearful of criticizing the UCI potentially and exposing themselves to repercussions.
Cycling has reached a tipping point. It is either going to be honest and open regarding its sordid history of doping and grow and thrive, or it will continue to deny and distract. The time has come for the doors of secrecy to be kicked open. It’s time for a revolution and the overthrow of the tyrannical leadership of McQuaid and Verbruggen. I urge the board members of the UCI to take control of the sport and start with a clean slate. This is the only way cycling can truly grow on a global scale.
FILED UNDER: Analysis TAGS: Hein Verbruggen / Pat McQuaid / Scott Mercier / UCI
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rottingjohnny
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mammoth lakes ca
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Apparently there is no whistle blower clause when one signs a pro contract..?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Check out "Racing through the Dark" by David Millar as well. Cycling has a lot of work to do to shake the doping legacy.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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I have a pretty high threshold for bullsheeit toleration, but I'm beginning to hope this thread dies soon.
While on the topic:
What if Lance Armstrong, just came out and said "yeah, I did all that sheeit, so what"?
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Srbphoto
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Kennewick wa
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Ashenden: Armstrong may have been blood-doping at 2009 Tour de France
By: Cycling News Published: October 8, 15:50,
Biological passport entries suggest blood re-infusion during the race, scientist claims
An analysis of blood samples from the 2009 Tour de France, as reflected in Lance Armstrong's biological passport, indicates that Armstrong may have been blood doping during that first comeback year, Michael Ashenden has claimed.
Ashenden, who previously worked on the UCI's biological passport programme, told California Watch, an investigative journalism group, that “an analysis of blood samples drawn in 2009, contained in an earlier court filing, suggests that Armstrong was recklessly using banned doping methods,” the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
The passport entries show that the cyclist “produced fewer young blood cells than would be expected, Ashenden said. That suggests his system was adapting to the presence of an extra volume of blood that had been re-infused,” the report said.
The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) has issued a lifetime ban against Armstrong, and disqualified all his results going back to August 1998. As part of their evidence, USADA claimed that his blood value “was consistent with” blood doping.
According to California Watch, Ashenden said that the rider's blood should have become thinner during the three-week race, a natural result of the stress and strain of the race. But that did not happen, and his blood remained consistent.
“The absence of a natural decline in blood concentration during a three-week race is also consistent with blood doping,” Ashenden said.
Armstrong has consistently denied using any sort of doping, and his spokesman, attorney Mark Fabiani reiterated that theme.
The blood date is “no evidence at all,” he said, adding, “The rules are clear to everyone but USADA: You either pass a drug test, or you fail it. There is no in between. Lance Armstrong has passed every test ever given to him, including every test administered during the 2009 Tour de France.”
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WBraun
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There is no in between. Lance Armstrong has passed every test ever given to him
There are people who can pass any lie detector machine test too.
But they are still lying.
They know how to "beat" the machine and the test.
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nick d
Trad climber
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The above statement is a lie, LA has failed tests. I pointed out one such case upthread. He is using the GOP tactic of shouting the same lie over and over, louder all the time. That makes it true, right?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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I hope the Lance bitch gets a terminal saddle sore and ends up riding a recumbent the rest of his career...
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Srbphoto
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Kennewick wa
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Oct 10, 2012 - 12:19am PT
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Armstrong lawyer attacks pending USADA report
By: Jane Aubrey Cycling News Published: October 9, 23:32,
Questions the use of Big Tobacco lawyers in Agency's case
A lawyer for Lance Armstrong has renewed his attack on USADA for their case against his client, criticising the impending "reasoned decision" that is set to be handed to the UCI and WADA this week. In a lengthy letter sent on October 9 to William Bock, III, the General Counsel for USADA, Timothy Herman suggests that the agency's use of lawyers who have represented Big Tobacco is further evidence that its case is about more than perceived doping infringements, but more about Armstrong, a noted anti-tobacco advocate.
Herman continues to employ the same arguments shot down by the Texas district court judge Sam Sparks, questioning jurisdiction, procedure and motives, asking why USADA has singled out Armstrong for treatment it claims is different to any other athlete. Herman claims that USADA is not required to provide a reasoned decision to the UCI, "it is required to produce the complete file of evidence, not more allegations by USADA about what it says it could prove in a one-sided arbitration hearing," he wrote.
USADA's media relations manager Annie Skinner commented, “The rules require us to provide a reasoned decision in every case and we are happy to let the evidence speak for itself.”
Herman pointed to a bill that two U.S Congressman have introduced called the "Athlete Due Process Protection Act". The act aims to curb the alleged misappropriation of the taxpayer funds that prop up the Agency.
The bipartisan bill was introduced on September 21 by Wisconsin Republican representative Jim Sensenbrenner and Michigan Democrat John Conyers. In July, Congressman Sensenbrenner sent an open letter to the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) querying the $9 million dollars of taxpayer funding given to USADA.
The move was then followed by United States Senator John McCain backing the USADA investigation into Armstrong and his associates, saying that the Agency's rules and processes applied to all U.S. athletes "regardless of their public profile or success in sport."
The letter also strongly criticises USADA's choice of key witnesses, Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton.
"For example, USADA will no doubt accept the stories told by Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton as gospel, though they are both serial perjurers and have told diametrically contradictory stories under oath," Herman writes. "It is beyond reckless that USADA makes Landis a lynchpin of its case - he is a confessed perjurer, has admitted criminal fraud, has been convicted of criminal hacking, and has recently been sued successfully by the UCI for defamation.
"A Swiss Court has entered a judgment prohibiting Landis from repeating his false claims that UCI leaders corruptly protected Mr. Armstrong from a doping case - the very claims that USADA no doubt will publish again in direct and knowing contempt of the lawful Swiss Court order."
Attorneys for Landis stated that he was never informed of the proceedings and was unable to defend himself against the UCI's defamation charges.
The letter also goes so far as to suggest that USADA has manufactured evidence against Armstrong. It points to an impending "farce" with the release of the USADA report "written by USADA with the significant assistance of lawyers from one of Big Tobacco's favorite law firms at a time when Lance Armstrong is one of America's leading anti-tobacco advocates. While USADA can put lipstick on a pig, it still remains a pig."
In conclusion, Herman points to a 'call to arms' with the release of the USADA report, warning that public support is with Armstrong.
"As USADA ramps up its press leaks and press releases this week and then trots out what it has pressured and coerced from others, we know that fair minded people will see whatever USADA issues is far from a "reasoned decision" and is instead further evidence of the vendetta by USADA and its talebearers seeking publicity by targeting Mr. Armstrong, his business relations and the Lance Armstrong Foundation."
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Srbphoto
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Kennewick wa
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Oct 10, 2012 - 10:06pm PT
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If you are following this go to http://www.cyclingnews.com/
The fur is flying and there is too much to post up. Some big current names getting suspended!
Is the USA road racing boom over?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 10, 2012 - 10:15pm PT
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Leipheimer, Vande Velde, Zabriskie, Danielson, Barry and Hincapie suspended for six months
WTF? Bullsheeit. How do they differ from Lance Armstrong? If he finked on himself, could he get his sentence pleaded down to six months?]
Apparently so,
"I have personally talked with and heard these athletes' stories and firmly believe that, collectively, these athletes, if forgiven and embraced, have a chance to leave a legacy far greater for the good of the sport than anything they ever did on a bike. Lance Armstrong was given the same opportunity to come forward and be part of the solution. He rejected it."
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 10, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
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A professional bike racer friend said , about 10 years ago , that most of the pro riders are doped ...How many US tax payer dollars have we spent to discover that these athletes are juiced up..? ...has it helped bring us out our recession...? When we talk about pork , USADA comes to mind...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 18, 2012 - 02:34am PT
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RJ, who knows the dollar value? Who knows how many kids are disappointed, along with yours truly, due to the fall of the leader?
You fall off, you get the bike straightened out and you continue the race. Like it was said, Lance could have just copped and gone on like the rest. He just said no, and so that's that.
Today's latest indicates this thread is going to continue the race.
He has stepped down from chairing the Livestrong Foundation.
He also got tossed by Nike. Can't get Tiger out of my mind.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/cnbc/49446680/#49446680
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