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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 25, 2012 - 05:20pm PT
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I really don't think it makes any difference to my self defense capability if I have a 5 shot semi-automatic 12 gauge vs. a rifle with 30 rounds.
Unless your first 5 shots miss.
BTW Fet, I was not intending to make a strawman argument.
My point was that there are many things that if banned would indeed save lives and yet we don't even consider banning them...
So that is obviously not the only criteria we use to determine if something should or should not be banned.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 25, 2012 - 05:22pm PT
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Or, the 30 rounds go through the wall your hiding behind. Lol
It's okay to own guns. You don't need to use them.
I can drive, but I choose to ride my bike.
I could choose to go to college, but I work.
I can choose to be a thug, criminal, but i'd rather not.
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Speigl
climber
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Jul 25, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
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Pools are regulated.
The fence that is required around a pool is kind of like the trigger locks the NRA fought against.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
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The fence that is required around a pool is kind of like the trigger locks the NRA fought against.
seriously? The NRA fought AGAINST trigger locks?
WHY?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 25, 2012 - 06:40pm PT
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The NRA gives away trigger locks.
"against trigger locks" is just not true.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 25, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
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They are for them, after they were against them. LOL!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
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Actually, the NRA opposed the legislation requires all firearms sold by dealers to come WITH a trigger lock.
The NRA wanted a trigger lock to be "available" for purchase, but not necessary to buy a gun.
So, while the NRA may be "giving away" trigger locks nowadays, the NRA opposed the bill
6102 of Title 18, the Uniform Firearms Act. NRA would have preferred this provision to require only that licensed dealers make trigger-locking devices available for sale to firearm purchasers. http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=189
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jul 25, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
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Airplane travel is regulated. People get searched all the time before getting to board, yet they have a constitutional right not to be searched unreasonably.
Fourth Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
The whole problem then is that the drafters of the constitution ran out of reasonableness when they got to guns?
Even Paladin wouldn't throw dynamite in your pool or lake. How unreasonable would that be?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 25, 2012 - 06:51pm PT
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You don't have to fly...
Therefore your 4th amendment wouldn't be violated.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 25, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
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I got a box full of trigger locks I never wanted and have no use for.
You want 'em?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2012 - 06:57pm PT
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I got a box full of trigger locks I never wanted and have no use for.
You want 'em?
yeah, I got a box of them too
Chaz, why do you suppose the NRA is now giving out trigger locks?
see any purpose for them?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 25, 2012 - 06:59pm PT
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Maybe they don't want them either.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 25, 2012 - 07:04pm PT
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Psh. Trigger lock.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2012 - 07:09pm PT
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yeah, I just can't see any good reason for trigger locks
children?
nay, that can't be it
real men don't need trigger locks
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 25, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
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Hide yer guns. Or put them in a safe.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 25, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
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To me, it would be like puting a padlock on a fire extinguisher.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2012 - 07:16pm PT
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trigger locks are like seat belt laws
drive responsibly and you don't need seat belts
teach your young children early about auto safety and they don't need to wear them
just more big government overreaching into our lives
socialism
Cletus
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 25, 2012 - 07:18pm PT
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Yeah, drive really good, so you don't wear seat belts.
So what about a drunk driver coming out of nowhere? Or someone running a stop sign/light and T boning you?
Norton, your world sounds nice, but it's not practical for everyone.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jul 25, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
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The question is still where do you draw the line?
Should anyone be allowed to purchase any weapon/gun?
What are the criteria? Do you need to be over a certain age? Have an IQ over 50?
I'm sure reasonable people will agree there is a need for regulation in this regard.
I wouldn't regulate the speech of someone with a 34 IQ but I think i'd hesitate to sell them a gun.
If it has been established that some weapons can be declared illegal doesn't that set a precedent
against the second amendment? If some weapons can be declared illegal can't all weapons?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 25, 2012 - 07:27pm PT
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Alona Day, I like you.
My friend is scared of the people he sells guns to.
But what's gonna stop them from getting a gun?
I'm all for regulation. As long as I can keep mine.
Ah, but there lays the problem.
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