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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 10, 2012 - 06:48pm PT
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"W" stands for "Martin".
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 10, 2012 - 06:48pm PT
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fixed it
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 10, 2012 - 07:14pm PT
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We'll never know who escalated to a physical altercation, since no one saw that. Powder residue, present or not, can be explained away as well.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 10, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
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^aaah-ha! 'roid rage - maybe? Too bad they didn't see fit to do some blood collection on z-man that night, despite doing it on Martin's body.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 10, 2012 - 10:45pm PT
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Zimmerman is on his way out of the complex to go grocery shopping (not patrolling)
I've asked this before. Even if you're licensed and inclined to like your guns, how often do you pack when going up to the grocery store. Not that the gun just happened to be in the truck, he's wearing in a holster on his belt. Right?
he sees someone, not a resident, prowling
TGT this little narrative is bullsh#t. Why waste time posting it?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 10, 2012 - 11:16pm PT
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from zBrown:
I'm not gonna look it up, but I'm sure you can find where the police "invoked" the law as their justification for not arresting zman.
Well, since the Florida SYG law sets forth the law of self-defense Florida, yeah, that would be the reason why no charges have been brought against Zimmerman. Duhh.
The issue is whether charges would have been brought under previous FL law, i.e., does the FL SYG law make any difference in this case. Did the police ever say anything about that? You "sure"?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 10, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
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TGT this little narrative is bullsh#t. Why waste time posting it?
And what evidence do you have that the one you have bought into isn't as well?
Like "angertainment"?
Everyone involved in this has an axe to grind and the MSM have already been caught in several fabrications.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 11, 2012 - 10:28am PT
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blacks commit 50x more hate crimes against whites than whites do against blacks.
now there's some factual reporting.
edit-The New Nation is your source of facts? that's f*#king hilarious. are you LEB?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 11, 2012 - 10:50am PT
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FYI, crime is not necessarily hate crime.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 11, 2012 - 10:55am PT
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The last full report of the NCVS was issued in 1994.
hmmm kinda antiquated info for an annual report. got anything from this century? oh yeah The New Nation. Thanks for the laughs...
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 11, 2012 - 10:57am PT
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where's the link to your proof?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 11, 2012 - 12:22pm PT
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And what evidence do you have that the one you have bought into isn't as well?
Like "angertainment"?
Wasn't me.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 11, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
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Well, since the Florida SYG law sets forth the law of self-defense Florida, yeah, that would be the reason why no charges have been brought against Zimmerman. Duhh.
The issue is whether charges would have been brought under previous FL law, i.e., does the FL SYG law make any difference in this case. Did the police ever say anything about that? You "sure"?
You're the one who said it couldnt' be invoked, except in a case. So was it invoked here - duh, duh, blah blah
You mentioned law school, so I’m wondering if you actually have a law license. If you do, it’s a real testament to the demand for your skills (or more appropriately lack thereof) as an attorney that you do so much of your “legal work” pro bono on the SuperTopo forum.
Don't bother to reply, it's very boring chatting with you. I can talk to real attorneys anytime I desire.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Apr 11, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
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this is from the justice dpartment.
The best and most complete evidence comes from the Justice Department. Its annual National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) canvasses a representative sample of about 80,000 Americans, from roughly 43,000 households. From this survey, a picture of crime is painted by its victims. The last full report of the NCVS was issued in 1994. From it we learn that blacks committed 1,600,951 violent crimes against whites. In the same year, whites committed 165,345 such offenses against blacks. Despite being only 13 percent of the population, blacks committed more than 90 percent of the violent interracial crime. Less than 15 percent of these had robbery as a motive. The rest were assaults and rapes.
The NCVS has been ongoing since 1972/73. Reports using it published by the Justice Department have also continued until the present. The statement that the last full report was published in 1994 is a puzzling one. I think they may be referring to an online report that stopped for a while (stopped in 1995) due to a lack of personnel.
And here is a 'full report' from 2007 (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus07.pdf);.
Still, the numbers reported in the quote do not strike me as accurate. I'd like to see where that was taken from. Also, one must know that the NCVS collects rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault and simple assault in terms of 'violent crimes.' About 2/3 of all violent crimes are simple assaults.
Also, the data collection is not antiquated, but is instead a data collection effort that has been the model used across the globe.
And as noted, violent crime is no necessarily a 'hate crime'. Yes, some in the general population call all crimes a hate crime. I wonder if they call terrorism just regular crime too? Hate crime has a specific meaning.
And, not surprising, the NCVS has been used to offer a report on hate crimes in the United States. The most recent is here: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/hc0309.pdf. Those interested in the race of the victim may want to check out Table 9.
BTW, the NCVS is my specialty. Happy to answer any other questions about it and crime data in general.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 11, 2012 - 04:15pm PT
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Time to lawyer up Zimmie...again, I guess since the other pair of lawyers split:
"NBC News is now reporting that George Zimmerman – the Sanford, Florida neighborhood watch supervisor who shot Trayvon Martin – will be charged in connection with the shooting. The Washington Post also reported that Zimmerman will be charged. Zimmerman’s lawyers on Tuesday withdrew their counsel in the case.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 11, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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Well, it looks like Zimmerman will be charged after all. I hope justice prevails.
John
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 11, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
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^ ^ ^
But how can that be, when Zimmerman has the protection of the FL SYG law?
Quick, we need all the ST legal experts (maybe zBrown and his crack team of consultants) to get on it. Time for a literature search!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Apr 11, 2012 - 04:41pm PT
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Yeah blah. Touched a nerve huh? Your check is in the mail and it's small, commensurate with your contribution and ability. Let us know if have trouble finding your way to the mailbox. We'll get someone over there to help you.
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