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Festus

Mountain climber
Enron by the Sea
May 12, 2011 - 03:52pm PT
IF he's guilty of everything he's accused of, which is essentially embezzling millions of dollars, how does that not merit significant prison time? Again, IF.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
May 12, 2011 - 03:54pm PT



Three Cups Of Tea Author Mounts Weak, Unsatisfying Defense Of 60 Minutes' Allegations

http://www.businessinsider.com/greg-mortenson-three-cups-tea-central-asia-institute-outside-60-minutes-2011-5#ixzz1MAUxonup


"Three Cups of Tea" author Greg Mortenson faces new troubles

Two Montana legislators, saying that millions of readers were bilked by "Three Cups of Tea," are pursuing a class action lawsuit against author Greg Mortenson.


http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2011/0509/Three-Cups-of-Tea-author-Greg-Mortenson-faces-new-troubles
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
May 18, 2011 - 09:29am PT
Huffington Post article about CAI refusing a $30,000 donation because it came with strings: a budget and accounting for how the money would be spent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/virginia-moncrieff/lucky-greg-mortensen-did-_b_857300.html
snowleopard

Mountain climber
Beijing, China
May 23, 2011 - 11:29pm PT
588 responses and not a lawyer in the bunch? Here's a lawyer from Helena, Montana (who specializes in immigration law, but is a RICO expert)

http://www.bordercrossinglaw.com/blog/archives/211

who pretty much debunks the class action law suit filed by Rep. Rinehart of Montana. Just so you know, the people of Montana are not happy their tax dollars are being spent on this suit prior to the AG coming out with the results of his investigation, and this lawyer makes an interesting point, that if criminal fraud was a real possibility, he would have frozen the assets of CAI during his investigation, and he has not done that, but that is what the class-action law suit is requesting of the court. Unless Rinehart comes up with specific charges (not just well, Jon said it was true) that case will likely be dismissed in the coming weeks.

He also indicates it will costs each side $20,000 a week to answer/respond to various motions, and it's the lawyers who are going to make the money on this one.

I think some of you are forgetting Krakauer has his own book to pedal (which does not sell any where near the copies of Mortenson's two books) and some think he "doth protest too much" and the timing of 60 Minutes, the launch of byliner.com and the Masur Mahsud defamation suit (who JK called just prior to the scandal to encourage him to sue) announced 24 hours after "TCD" sounds like a rather well orchestrated publicity stunt to attempt to ruin Moretenson's character and increase his own standing as an "investigative writer."

The Nepali charity will see ZERO money from "TCD" when you give a book away for two weeks and everyone copies and pastes it from the web, who is going to pay $2.99? Nobody, so the whole giving the proceeds to charity is crock/krak, and where is his transparency on that?
Kurt Ettinger

Trad climber
Martinez, CA
Jun 9, 2011 - 03:53pm PT
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110609/ap_en_ot/us_books_three_cups_of_tea_surgery

Proof that this type of Shite is not good for your health.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jun 9, 2011 - 03:56pm PT
Get well GM!
snowleopard

Mountain climber
Beijing, China
Jul 19, 2011 - 10:56pm PT
BJ: If you didn't have your head so far up Krakauer's ass you might be able to reach the spell checker. Reinhart is a state representative for Montana, who hasn't even passed law school, and her lawyer Blewett is one of the top 100 personal injury lawyers in the country. Everybody is making a buck off of Mortenson, and am surprised you haven't found a way to get your 15 minutes in yet, or perhaps that is what this site is for.

CAI has been dropped from all suits, Jean Price dropped out of the MT suit because she never bought the book. The IL suit was dropped after the Supreme Court reset the "INJURY" bar for class action suits.

Anyone who donates to anything has the obligation to check it out for themselves. CAI has posted all of their financial documents online, read them for yourself instead of depending on your "GOD" to do it for you. And just what have you done for humanity today, or any other day besides bitch and defend JK here?
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jul 20, 2011 - 09:58am PT
Don't know much about the whole scandal.

signed,
not a big fan of Crack-hour
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jul 20, 2011 - 11:05am PT
Check out snowleopard's posting history.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jul 20, 2011 - 11:59am PT
snowleopard wrote
CAI has posted all of their financial documents online, read them for yourself instead of depending on your "GOD" to do it for you.

I read them. here: https://www.ikat.org/wp-includes/documents/Financials/CAIAuditedFSFYE%209-30-09.pdf

CAI spent $4.6 million for outreach in the US (including almost $1.3 million for travel), out of their $9.6 million budget for 2009. This was MORE than they spent for building schools in Asia. But the big questions are related to Mortenson's profiting from the lectures he gave, which were funded by CAI. According to the American Institute for Philanthropy, CAI and Mortenson are not answering questions about this.

Krakauer says CAI outreach purchased books, at full retail price, which GM and his co-author profited from.

Central Asia Institute Wins No Award for Accountability
http://www.charitywatch.org/articles/CentralAsiaInstitute.html

Central Asia Institute Accountability Update
Published March 30th, 2011

In mid-2010 Central Asia Institute did finally publish audited financial statements for its fiscal year-ended 2009. However, the information contained in the audit unfortunately did not assuage AIP's concerns about the lack of segregation between Central Asia Institute's financial activities and the personal business interests of its executive director, Greg Mortenson.

According to Central Asia Institute's 2009 audit, "The Organization has an economic interest in a book written by the Executive Director, Greg Mortenson, which is written in regards to his journeys in Afghanistan and Pakistan while pursuing the organization's mission. During the fiscal year ended September 30, 2009, the organization paid $1,729,542 for book-related expenses associated with outreach and education." As in past years, Central Asia Institute does not report receiving any revenue from book sales in its 2009 audit or tax form.

A donation to Central Asia Institute, at least in 2009, was more likely to be spent on costs related to educating people in the U.S. about problems in Pakistan and Afghanistan than on helping children in central Asia with their education. According to the charity's 2009 tax form, Central Asia Institute spent $4.6 million on "Domestic outreach and education, lectures and guest appearances across the United States telling Central Asia Institute's story and the plight of children in Pakistan and Afghanistan." In contrast, the charity's 2009 tax form reports that expenses related to serving schools in central Asia totaled less at $4 million, including $3 million for building materials, supplies, labor, and transportation; $759,000 for school operating expenses like teachers' salaries & supplies; $40,000 for scholarships; and $139,000 for project managers' travel expenses.

AIP continues to be concerned about conflicts of interest at Central Asia Institute. Greg Mortenson, who not only benefits personally from sales of his books promoted by the charity, also regularly receives $30,000 in speaker's fees for his lectures. The charity does not report earning any revenue from speaker's fees in its 2009 audit or tax form. AIP is concerned that Central Asia Institute looks to be covering expenses related to "domestic outreach and education, lectures and guest appearances…" while apparently not receiving a portion of the related speaker's fees or any other revenues generated at these events.

In October of 2010, AIP mailed and e-mailed questions to Central Asia Institute's executive director, Greg Mortenson; its operations director, Jennifer Sipes; and its outside auditors, Anderson, Zurmuehlen & Co., PC. We asked why the charity does not report receiving any revenue from books for which it incurs significant, related expenses, or speaker's fees for any lectures Greg Mortenson gives as a representative of the charity. We also asked what controls the organization has in place, if any, to ensure that activities that generate personal income for Mr. Mortenson or for outside, for-profit companies are kept separate from activities that generate revenue or incur expenses for Central Asia Institute, and inquired as to the role the charity's board of directors plays in enforcing these controls.

No one from Central Asia Institute has responded to these and other questions posed by AIP. As of the end of March, 2011, AIP continues to issue Central Asia Institute a rating of "?" based on the charity's fiscal year-ended 9/30/2009 reporting.
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Jul 23, 2011 - 02:37pm PT
My first post in this thread was a challenge to defenders of Mortenson to cite facts that support their arguments. Instead, the chief defender, Snowleopard, repeats the same baseless, personal attacks on JK and his defenders. This only emphasizes that Snowleopard can marshall no facts, instead resorting to name calling and even taunting others for misspellings in posts.

Here is the gist of Snowleopard's argument,

I think some of you are forgetting Krakauer has his own book to pedal (which does not sell any where near the copies of Mortenson's two books) and some think he "doth protest too much" and the timing of 60 Minutes, the launch of byliner.com and the Masur Mahsud defamation suit (who JK called just prior to the scandal to encourage him to sue) announced 24 hours after "TCD" sounds like a rather well orchestrated publicity stunt to attempt to ruin Moretenson's character and increase his own standing as an "investigative writer."

Note the use of the weasel phrase, "some think" preceding his innuendo about Krakauer.

Snowleopard: Why do you choose to hide behind the opinions of others rather than have the conviction to offer them yourself?

By all means, keep sending Mortenson and CAI your money so that CAI can continue to pay for private jets for Mortenson's entourage and to promote his books. I very much doubt your arguments will persuade others to do so.

Also, one "pedals" a bicycle; you meant "peddle." If you are going to demean others for their spelling, proof read your own posts a little more carefully.

One wag summed up this sad affair nicely:

Pennies for Peace/Millions for Mortenson.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 18, 2011 - 07:17pm PT
http://byliner.com/jon-krakauer/articles/excerpt-three-cups-of-deceit#update-4

Tuesday August 16, 2011
by Jon Krakauer

GREG MORTENSON TRUTH CHECK

CAI’S LATEST FINANCIAL STATEMENT

THE CLAIM: The financial page on the CAI website states,

Central Asia Institute is a non-profit 501(c)3 organization dedicated to use every dollar contributed as efficiently as possible. Our pledge to our donors is to continue to keep our overhead (administrative and fundraising costs) low, maximize the percentage of contributions that go towards our programs and spend program dollars wisely so that thousands of children may benefit.

THE TRUTH: This morning CAI posted its latest tax return (IRS Form 990, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2010) on the same web page as the statement above. What this document reveals is troubling. In 2010, CAI had total revenues of $22.7 million, most of which came from donations. In 2010, CAI spent:

$2.5 million on “advertising and promotion” (much of it to buy magazine ads for Mortenson’s books)

$2.2 million on “travel” (much of it for private jets to fly Mortenson to lectures)

$1.7 million on “publications and subscriptions” (much of this, apparently, went to purchase copies of Mortenson’s books at retail cost; although CAI doesn’t provide details of exactly where the money went)

$300,000 on “printing and reproduction”

By comparison, in 2010 CAI spent:

$2.8 million on “building materials and equipment”

$1.5 million on “school operating expenses”

All told, in 2010 CAI spent $8 million on “outreach,” promotion, advertising, fundraising, and lectures, compared to $5.1 million for educational programs and other community support in Pakistan and Afghanistan. It should be noted, as well, that the audit of the 2010 tax return has not yet been completed.

Included in this new tax return is a “Master Project List” of the schools CAI claimed to be supporting in some fashion in 2010. I haven’t had time to analyze this list carefully yet, but a cursory glance has revealed a number of ghost schools being claimed as operational. For example, CAI claims that the Bozai Gumbaz school—one of its most prominent projects, the centerpiece of Mortenson’s second book, Stones into Schools—had 35 students and 3 teachers in 2010. In fact, it sat empty through all of 2010, and didn’t hold its first class until late June 2011, as I pointed out last week. CAI's misrepresentation of the truth about this showcase school raises unsettling questions about its willingness to report honestly on the status of all its schools.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Aug 18, 2011 - 07:24pm PT

$2.2 million on “travel” (much of it for private jets to fly Mortenson to lectures)

I expect this number will be somewhat less when the 2011 financials are released, since Mortenson is staying of the lecture circuit for health reasons. His need to stay home and not talk to the public conveniently and coincidentally right about when the 60 Minutes piece came out.
Gene

climber
Aug 18, 2011 - 07:31pm PT
GM made $177,851 during the 2009 CAI fiscal year.
Travel expenses exceeded $6,000/day.

The latest financials from CAI are from 10/1/09 through 9/30/10. The 60 Minutes piece was in 3/11. More to come......

Such a mess. Really sad.

g
Gene

climber
Aug 18, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
Outreach $$$$ from the most recent 990

4.b Expenses $7,201,512
CAI GLOBAL OUTREACH PROGRAM PROMOTES AWARENESS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF PRIMARY EDUCATION, LITERACY, AND CROSS-CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE REMOTE MOUNTAIN REGIONS AND COMMUNITIES OF CENTRAL ASIA. THIS IS MANIFESTED AND ACHIEVED WITH THE WEBSITE, PUBLIC EVENTS, PUBLICATIONS, GLOBAL OUTREACH, THE PENNIES FOR PEACE PROGRAM AND GREG MORTENSON’S BOOKS, "THREE CUPS OF TEA" AND "STONES INTO SCHOOLS".
https://www.ikat.org/wp-includes/documents/Financials/990FYE9-30-10.pdf
Close to $20K per day.

If global outreach is the primary or even secondary program of CAI, perhaps CAI should include it under the Programs heading on its website.
https://www.ikat.org/projects/cai-programs/
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 18, 2011 - 07:54pm PT
If you look at what CAI spent on travel, outreach, etc., as opposed to what it spent on the schools, then compare it with an organization such as AMERICARES, the difference is huge. AMERICARES has only about 10%, with 90% going directly to those in need. CAI does "need to spend money to make money" just like any other charity, but their promotional expense percentages are huge.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 18, 2011 - 07:58pm PT
If you look more closely, much more closely, you may find that 10% claimed for administration is lower than reality. Non-profits vary greatly in the percentage of their budgets that goes to administration, as opposed to programs and operations. Plus there is no consistent accounting standard for dividing up costs between administration and programs, and so comparing one non-profit to the next. Take all such claims with a grain or two of salt.

Real-world non-profits tend to have real administration costs in the 20 - 30% range, AOTBE.

The only non-profits that I'm certain have low overhead are the Franciscans and Poor Clares - but they've taken a vow of perpetual poverty.
Gene

climber
Aug 18, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
MH,

A couple of observations that may or may not be relevant to CAI....

Administration is more a fixed expense than a variable expense. If a non-profit can handle, say $5 million, the administrative costs do not rise proportionally if it attains $10 million.

There is huge latitude with IRS filings into which bucket, or category, expenses get thrown, especially with non-profits.

g
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 18, 2011 - 08:17pm PT
Didn't I just comment upthread?

It's easy to say that non-profits could be leaner, more efficient, with a lower percentage of administration expenses. Often enough it's true, and there are some reasonably objective measures. Getting there can be a challenge, as can be having accounting and other measures that allow reasonable comparisons.

That said, many if not most non-profits use their resources, including volunteer time, more efficiently and effectively than many governments and corporations. And allow us to participate in and direct our corners of the world.
Gene

climber
Aug 18, 2011 - 08:28pm PT
many if not most non-profits use their resources, including volunteer time, more efficiently and effectively than many governments and corporations. And allow us to participate in and direct our corners of the world.


Couldn't agree more. Well said.

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