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Klimmer
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San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2010 - 12:37am PT
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Rokjox,
Mars indeed has much to tell us . . .
PX is just being funny. He is a great guy :-) One of the original Poway Mtn. Boys. He is of the Adams family Earth Clan, do-do-do-dooooo-snap-snap
Once again . . .
America’s finest and best, our US Astronauts, our space heros disclose the truth of UFOs and Aliens. Why will you doubters, deniers, and debunkers not believe them? Do we send crazy and insane people to space? If they cannot be trusted, then who can we trust? They have been told to be quiet, but they do rebel. They do talk. Truth leaks out.
Disclosure has happened. You just need to listen.
Astronaut Gordon Cooper Talks About UFOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&feature=related
John Glenn on Frazier:
http://www.tv.com/frasier/docu.drama/episode/26491/summary.html
Glenn: Back in those glory days, I was very uncomfortable when they... asked us to say things that I didn't want to say, and deny other things... (They cut to Frasier and Roz continuing to argue then they cut back to Glenn) Some people ask, you know, "were you alone out there?" And we never gave the real answer, and yet we've seen things out there, strange things... (They back to Frasier and Roz arguing and then back to Glenn) But we know what we saw out there, and we couldn't really say anything, and the bosses were scared of this, they were afraid of "War of the Worlds" type-stuff, and about panic in the streets, and so we had to keep quiet, and now we only see these things in our - well, in our nightmares, or maybe in-in the movies, and some of them are pretty close to being the truth...
Commander Anders Apollo 8:
"Houston, Apollo 8. Please be informed, there is a Santa Claus.” Santa Claus was code for a UFO.
http://www.earthtothemoon.com/apollo_8.html
See: Honeysuckle Mission Day 5 – Wednesday 25 December 1968
Post Trans Earth Injection, Honeysuckle Pass 7 (as announced – must mean Pass 6 continued)
2'26" Mattingly calls Apollo 8 several times.
5'28" Jim Lovell responds, “Roger, please be informed there is a Santa Claus!” (excerpt)
16'52"Mattingly – “We’d like to try to have you manually acquire on High Gain.”
17'15" Mattingly – “Apollo 8, would you go to narrow beam on High Gain?” [Note the difference in comms quality when they do.]
http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/msfn_missions/Apollo_8_mission/apollo8_audio.html
Also there is a very cryptic video of Neil Armstrong giving a public speech about truth having "protective" layers when he was talking to a group of school children. That is a very interesting cryptic speech.
Neil Armstrong - speech (Nasa Lies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NQ3U-B95es&feature=related
N.A.S.A. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell Admitts To Alien Contact & Life On Other Planets 1 Of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgoi3i9AgbU&feature=related
N.A.S.A. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell Admitts To Alien Contact & Life On Other Planets 2 Of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0pxPpd5AVU&NR=1
Buzz Aldrin Reveals Existence of Monolith on Mars Moon July 22nd 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99C5WMrEYnw
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2010 - 09:08pm PT
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Geeeee.
Disclosure has happened, and everyone just wanders away.
Crickets.
Has the likelyhood that on the backside of the Moon that there is a massive craft, has the idea, the possibility significantly increased in your mind at all?
It has in my mind.
Wow, this long thread hasn't been a waste of time. I've learned a great deal. The 3D Mars golfball is just a very unusual impact crater ice depositional feature. Unusually symetrical. Thanks Rokjox. That is something. Don't have to waste precious time considering it again.
It seems to me that more analysis of all the images of the massive Moon object needs to be done, and cross-examined and compared. Official images compared in detail to the "unofficial" images through photogrammetry.
Check to see that said region hasn't already been released in LRO images. And then if it hasn't, make the formal request. It they don't comply or share the images, then a formal FOIA request must be made.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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nothing but personal witness?
no pictures or movie footage taken by the astronauts?
no radar contact?
no radio?
nothing but something not identified... where's the contact? visual contact of what?
disclosure, not much to disclose, they saw something they didn't understand, couldn't identify, no other information.
call it what you like.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2010 - 09:48pm PT
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nothing but personal witness?
no pictures or movie footage taken by the astronauts?
no radar contact?
no radio?
nothing but something not identified... where's the contact? visual contact of what?
disclosure, not much to disclose, they saw something they didn't understand, no other information.
call it what you like.
Ed,
You are not being intellectually honest.
Plenty of eye-witnesses World-wide, and not just from America's finest - our Astronauts.
You are I'm sure familiar with the science of photogrammetry. Images especially digital images are indeed empirical evidence. How do you think we know so much regarding Mars? As far as we know publically, no physical Mars samples have been returned to Earth, only analog and digital images and data. Yet we know so much through analog and digital remote sensing images.
There are plenty of images from the NASA space program. Still images and film footage. I suppose I should search for the best and post it up. There are plenty. Plenty has been leaked from NASA. There are at times brave souls who do care about the truth and let it out.
No radar contact? Yes, there has been plenty. Have you looked at any of the disclosure websites from any of the other Countries (who happen to be light-years more advanced than we are in terms of honesty) and their official government releases with what they know on-line?
Apparently you didn't really listen to PhD Edgar Mitchell and the others.
You have not been paying attention.
I suppose for some the truth of this information is a threat. It does challenge our belief systems, our limited knowledge of science, and perhaps even threatens careers? But it shouldn't.
The fact is, when everyone knows on a massive level there sure will be egg on many faces. Some who have fought so hard against this knowledge and ridiculed, and made-fun, of those who said it was real, and against those who have been brave enough and have stepped out and showed as much evidence as was possible against all the odds and ridicule, will apologies be forth coming? I doubt it. That is mean and spite-ful human nature of which I unfortunately and many others have experienced and are made to suffer.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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intellectually dishonest?...
ok Klimmer, you want to play that game you can play it alone
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Ed, you are intellectually dishonest?
Really?
Just today, Klimmer wrote regarding me-
"I get the feeling you would be OK with rounding up those of the Jewish and Christian faiths, putting us all in prison, and then bring back the persecution."
I don't think so, I don't think you're "intellectually dishonest." Any more than I'd be OK "rounding up those of Jewish and Christian faiths" (which includes my own mother) and putting them in prison.
You just haven't had enough of it yet, the klimmershite, I guess.
Just today, the conspiracy zealot / fundamentalist Christian also wrote-
"Why do you hate GOD? Why do you hate Jesus Christ so?"
"Hate". Because I don't "believe in" God Jesus (in the same vein I don't believe in Apollo or Aphrodite), in Klimmer's mind, this translates to... I "hate" him. And HFCS is a hater.
Bottom line: Klimmer's a passive aggressive. At least in his writing. In addition to many and various other things. If there is a mystery here it is why more people don't see it. Shame. The fact that he is a science teacher in So Cal: Double shame.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2010 - 10:27pm PT
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Ed,
You know I was referring to you saying "no" 4 times . . .
nothing but personal witness?
That is not true. There is physical empirical evidence. And yes it has been confiscated. They do not let UFO crafts hang around in the public domain. But there is much more physical evidence available.
no pictures or movie footage taken by the astronauts?
Not true. Yes there has been. There is plenty.
no radar contact?
Not true. Yes there has been. And other countries have officially released their studies of such.
no radio?
This I do not know about? I don't know.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
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HFCS,
Your contempt for Judiasm/Christainity has been very apparent here on ST for a long time now. I'm just calling you out on it. I guess you do not like that.
I'm being passive aggressive? No. Just letting you know what you are doing. Your contempt and anger towards those of faith, especially the Judiac/Christian faith. I'm not the only one who perceives this.
I do think you have hate toward GOD. You rile against those who profess to have faith in GOD and Jesus, yet are OK when any other faith is professed.
Remember, I didn't post anything personal about you or attack you personally. Your words have been very hateful for along time here on ST toward me and a few others. You attack people personally, and post personal information, and then scream when people call you on it. You can still go back and edit what you have done. I'm waiting. I've never used profanity towards you ever. You use it against me constantly as well as others. Not only that you make many threats regarding my job, based on my faith and discussing the UFO/Alien phenomenon on a public forum.
Once again, you really do not have a clear understanding of seperation of Church and State. You want to basically fire Christians who hold a teaching career in science. Perhaps you are against any Christian or Jew holding a teaching job? I would suppose you would have had Sir Isaac Newton fired also if you had the chance. Like I have said plenty. I'm a theistic Evolutionist, but that shouldn't matter one iota. Even if I was a 6000 year old Creationist, and I'm not, as long as they keep their personal faith out of the classroom - seperation of Church and State there shouldn't ever be an issue.
Bring it on HFCS. I will happily fight you're persecution through the ACLU.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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You're flat-out lying now. Liar.
What did you call it back when? False flag operations? You're the worst kind. I'm done with you, at least in the second person, thanks for the entertainment and drama. That's enough.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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There have been lots of stupid threads on Supertopo. This one is high up there.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2010 - 11:16pm PT
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I'm done with you, at least in the second person,
HFCS, Another cloaked threat from you no doubt.
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WBraun
climber
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"And HFCS is a hater."
Naw HFCS is not a hater, just a dumb leg humper.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 10, 2010 - 12:35am PT
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"Has the likelyhood that on the backside of the Moon that there is a massive craft, has the idea, the possibility significantly increased in your mind at all?"
No, Klimmer, but the thought that you are completely crazy--that has increased in my mind quite a bit!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 10, 2010 - 01:38am PT
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The existence of the entity that calls itself Klimmer, and other entities that profess similar beliefs, is proof that alien life forms are amongst us.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 10, 2010 - 01:46am PT
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Mighty,
I also have proof that aliens have been hired by the IRS because they audited me and wouldn't believe what I was paying for a commercial lease in Southern California! They're here and AMONGST US!!!!!!!
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ps
I don't think we need worry too terribly much as they really don't seem very bright.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 10, 2010 - 04:40am PT
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Where do the Reptilians fit into this...?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2010 - 09:19am PT
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Cosmic,
You bring up a very good point.
"Images especially digital images are indeed empirical evidence."
Not if I get my hands on a digital image!
AS long as we can trust the source and we can assume there has been no manipulation of said Elecro-Magnetic Spectrum digital data within the remote sensing imagery, we can indeed do incredible empirical science with it and trust the results. Remote sensing is a wonderful and powerful science. Yes, you do need to know that your data is pure. Are there opportunities for fraud and manipulation?, sure. But we assume that that has not happened until we are shown or can prove otherwise. Depends on the source of the imagery and data.
Light indeed carries incredible amounts of information. The science Worlds of Cosmology, Astronomy, Astrogeology and on and on wouldn't exist without this very powerful tool. We can analize the geochemistry of rock, soil, the chemistry of liquids, atmospheric gases, we can interpret geomorphic features, even sub-terrainian features, and we can even distinguish between something of intelligent design, or whether it is a feature produced by natural causes.
Remote Sensing is a very powerful science. Unaltered, pure images that are not fraudulently altered are warehouses of good data. These kinds of images are empirical data and physical evidence.
Edit:
As time allows I would like to look up really good sources and post them in reference to the 4 points Ed brought up. Because that evidence does indeed exist.
Also posting links to all the official international government websites that are now releasing their studies publically would be a good thing to do. Official disclosure is happening whether you want it, like it, or not.
You better get used to the idea that UFOs/Aliens are among us . . .
(Sometimes I think the meanest EBEs are right here on ST. Lol.)
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2010 - 01:26am PT
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Official UFO Government Websites and Related Disclosure:
UK:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/UnitedKingdom.htm
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/projectcondign.htm
Russia:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/Russia.htm
China:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/China.htm
Japan:
(Reuters) - Yes, UFOs do exist, Japan's top government spokesman said on Tuesday.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKT37017220071218
Malaysia:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/Malaysia.htm
France:
http://www.cnes-geipan.fr/
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/Gepan-Sepra.htm
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/Cometa.htm
Belgium:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/belgium.htm
Australia:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/Australia.htm
Canada:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/ufo/index-e.html
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/ufo/index-e.html
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/Canada.htm
Mexico:
UFOs - FOX News - Mexican Air Force - CNN News – OVNIs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDOOZ_IPb6Y&feature=player_embedded#
Mexican DoD Acknowledges UFOs In Mexico
http://www.rense.com/general52/deff.htm
Mexican Government’s UFO Disclosure Video
http://www.paranormalknowledge.com/articles/mexican-governments-ufo-disclosure-video.html
Brazil:
http://www.ufo.com.br/
http://www.ufo.com.br/index.php?arquivo=notComp.php&id=4483
Download UFO documents released by the Brazilian Government:
http://www.ufo.com.br/index.php?arquivo=notComp.php&id=4438
CBU gets new batch of UFO files released by the Brazilian Government concerning the 80
Official report of a UFO occurrences of the world's most concrete surfaces
http://www.ufo.com.br/index.php?arquivo=notComp.php&id=4491
The importance of recognition of UFOs by the Brazilian authorities
http://www.ufo.com.br/index.php?arquivo=notComp.php&id=4590
Scientists weigh in on Hawking's alien warning
Some agree with the physicist's argument that we should avoid them, a few are sharply critical – and one sent a limerick.
By Amina Khan, Los Angeles Times
3:13 PM PDT, May 7, 2010
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-hawking-aliens-20100508,0,3179240,print.story
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/
http://www.ufoevidence.org/
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2010 - 02:10am PT
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Isn't it sad when people, scientists, politicians have to compromise the truth just to avoid ridicule and/or loss of funding?
Carl Sagan Knew UFOs are real - Reveals confidant, But Kept quiet viewpoint to Avoid Losing Funding
May 6, 5:20 PMDenver UFO ExaminerJeff Peckman
http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2010m5d6-Carl-Sagan-knew-UFOs-are-real--confidant-reveals-but-kept-viewpoint-quiet-to-avoid-losing-funding?cid=examiner-email
http://zlandcommunications.blogspot.com/2010/05/carl-sagan-knew-ufos-are-real-confidant.html
How will mainstream science respond knowing now that a corner stone of modern science and one of its most revered members is now recognized as to have conceded - UFOs are real?
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