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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 28, 2009 - 12:29pm PT
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Ammunition is already highly regulated.
If you don't think so, just have a chat with the guy who runs your Local Gun Shop.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 28, 2009 - 12:39pm PT
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"Absurd to think they can limit my constitutional right to ammunition."--mucci
"But doesn't the 2nd amendment imply that your right to bear arms includes the ammo to go with it?"--klimmer
Please point to the phrasing or wording anywhere in the Constitution that mentions ammo ANYWHERE.
The founding fathers clearly understood that an armed nation was a READY one, but that ammunition was the key to controlling the masses "armed" for a revolution.
The intelligent gun owners saw this and have been stocking up since they got their first gun--the rest of the masses are just left in confusion, as indicated by the quotes from the above 'Topians.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 28, 2009 - 01:00pm PT
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I walked into a bar Friday night and bought a glass of scotch, no ID required.
You can't say alcohol isn't highly regulated.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 28, 2009 - 01:33pm PT
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Wes,
you ever been a victim of a violent crime?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 28, 2009 - 03:44pm PT
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What do you replace lead with?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 28, 2009 - 03:59pm PT
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What's the melting point of Bismuth?
Low melting point is what makes lead easy to work with.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 28, 2009 - 04:01pm PT
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Isn't it in North Dakota?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 28, 2009 - 04:03pm PT
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Some years it never melts up there.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 28, 2009 - 04:15pm PT
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I have to agree with DMT on wanting to ban lead shot in condor areas, but thats not a good reason to hold a lifetime grudge.
Nor do I feel it should be banned outright.
One of the reasons they are called clay pigeons, Dingus, is because they are not real birds and don't go into the food chain!!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 28, 2009 - 04:18pm PT
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Don't feed clay pigeons to hogs.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 28, 2009 - 04:19pm PT
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"Ammunition is protected by extension of the second amendment."--rokjox
Not that I don't believe you, as it's prolly true--BUT, I'd like to see the Court Opinion on that one (or something documented) regarding the Constitutional rights of people and ammunition.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 28, 2009 - 05:34pm PT
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I used to be for some form of gun control, but recent threads have convinced me that the herd needs to be culled.
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adam d
climber
closer to waves than rock
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Sep 28, 2009 - 06:03pm PT
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I'm all for promoting non-lead ammo, not totally certain a blanket ban is good though. I certainly feel a need to take precautions to limit my exposure to lead a the range. Despite the tin foil gun nuts hating Condors, the industry must take some of the blame for not producing cost effective lead-free alternatives. If the cost was less of an issue, consumers wouldn't mind. And is there yet ANY .22lr out there that's lead free? That would be a better ammo solution than a thumbprint at the register.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 28, 2009 - 06:15pm PT
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Sounds like you're one mugging away from becoming a republican.
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rick d
climber
tucson, az
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Sep 28, 2009 - 06:23pm PT
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weschrist
you're a tool.
I'm glad I'll never climb with you.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 29, 2009 - 02:49am PT
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CMP History (apparently not federally funded other than by the guns...)
The Office of the Director of Civilian Marksmanship (DCM) was created by the U.S. Congress as part of the 1903 War Department Appropriations Act. The original purpose was to provide civilians an opportunity to learn and practice marksmanship skills so they would be skilled marksmen if later called on to serve in the U.S. military. Over the years the emphasis of the program shifted to focus on youth development through marksmanship. From 1916 until 1996 the CMP was administered by the U.S. Army. Title XVI of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (Public Law 104-106, 10 February 1996) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP. The CPRPFS is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, but is not an agency of the U.S. Government (Title 36, United States Code, Section 40701 et seq). Apart from a donation of surplus .22 and .30 caliber rifles in the Army's inventory to the CMP, the CMP receives no Federal funding.
The National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice (NBPRP), an advisory board to the Secretary of the Army (SA), which was created in 1903, was disestablished by this law and replaced by the CPRPFS. The initial board was appointed by the SA and is responsible to develop all policies and procedures for the implementation of all aspects of the CMP.
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Rocktrol
Trad climber
Reno , NV
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Sep 29, 2009 - 07:42am PT
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California law makers suck . Always f'en it up .
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Sep 29, 2009 - 08:09am PT
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Interesting take on this. when I was a kid you had to buy your ammo in a store and you had to show your drivers license and sign in a ledger for the ammo. You also couldn't buy your ammo on the internet... Not saying that the kalifornicator law dose not go too far which i feel it does but am pointing out that it is essentially nothing new.........
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Sep 29, 2009 - 12:54pm PT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence
Wikipedia:
The next section, the famous preamble, includes the ideas and ideals that were principles of the Declaration. It is also an assertion of what is known as the "right of revolution": that is, people have certain rights, and when a government violates these rights, the people have the right to "alter or abolish" that government.[71]
The Declaration of Independance:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Sep 30, 2009 - 09:21pm PT
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This organization is like the California shooter's version of The Access Fund:
http://www.crpa.org/
I don't shoot but my husband is on one of their Boards...
so I know that they employ a full time person who keeps tabs and lobbies on any emerging or pending legislation regarding gun rights.
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