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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 14, 2009 - 02:10pm PT
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For what? Wanting the truth?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 14, 2009 - 02:17pm PT
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Klimmer, if Doug Buchanan agreed with me about anything, I'd be very concerned.
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Sep 14, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
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On the morning that every great empire collapses, it is replete with officials and their amusingly stupid supporters who cannot understand why the common people are tearing down the empire.
Why were the common people not satisfied with the government's highly noticeable refusals to answer the question (for the Waco, Oklahoma City and Trade Tower crime scenes): What is the official reason of record for the government's obviously hasty effort to bulldoze the evidence, so we can use that standard for all crime scenes?
To that and many other logical, seemingly easy to answer questions of government actions, the government-supporters respond with accusations that the questioners are nut cases and should be ridiculed.
For daring to ask the questions, ON RECORD, of the contradictions of National Park Service climbing regulations, I was arrested the moment I set foot in Mt. Rainier National Park, for "interfering with government operations", by walking into the entrance ranger station and politely asking to register to climb Mt. Rainier. I was jailed for a week, denied bail, denied a trial, and more, much to my ongoing laughter.
Those who were too dumb to even attempt to answer knowledge-inducing questions in school, must forever attack those who think enough to ask and answer questions, much to the amusement of thinking people.
Oh, as a previous distinguished military graduate, Regular Army Commission, Airborne, Ranger, Aviator, Infantry officer, Vietnam veteran, I can assure you of how easy it is to effect one of the many special military units, not on record, of ex-Hong Kong police recruits FLAWLESSLY LOYAL TO ORDERS, completely ignorant of the US Constitution, and barely understanding English, who, with their few commanders, will set explosive charges ANYWHERE, at Dick Cheney's orders, to "save America".
Violence is easy. Answering questions is difficult, as dumb people prove every day. Is that not so? (That is a question.)
Just more BuchananBabble, for our entertainment.
DougBuchanan.com
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Sep 14, 2009 - 02:53pm PT
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Dingus.....
We got lots of options.
The easiest one is to vote for Libertarians, the only party that supports the Constitution, or vote for nobody and tell people why. Between a Democan and a Republicrat, the folks who brought us the bankrupted War And Police State, the intelligent vote is no vote.
The Libertarians do not know how to solve the problem, but they know how to not keep making it worse.
And then simply ask and answer the questions that the dumb people flee and ridicule. If you do that, your knowledge will advance into the increasingly effective processes to solve their problems, if you retain incentive to do so, much to your amusement.
And keep on having fun, unless having fun is BuchananBabble that is to be avoided of course.
Doug
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2009 - 03:12pm PT
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Doug,
I think US veterans often come to these truths because we see and actually know how whack the US government can really act and be. If you have never experienced the military in any form, then you really do not know. I'm glad I served. I grew up. I experienced so many things I would normally not experience. There are a lot of really good people in the service. I met good friends and we suffered together, but there are definately those who have a wicked screw loose and sometimes they are even in command. It is amazing what you can get troops to do. You can literally get troops to do anything given enough time, isolation, training; it is a method of mind-control, no doubt. The armed services have worked it out to a fine art. And soldiers are fodder for the elite.
I served in peace-time at Ft. Benning 11 Bravo Infantryman Basic training, Advanced AIT Expert Dragon Gunner, and then 2 years at Ft. Myer US Army Honor Guard, 3rd US Infantry, "The Old Guard." Witnessed my chain of command from the President on down many, many times. Washington DC is an incredible city. So much goes on there. That is when I really started to get into politics and political activism. At the same time, you can get any evil you want in the city if you look for it. The layout of the city was designed by Pierre Charles L'Enfante a Mason into the occult. The symbolism around the city is indepth. Isn't it amazing how it is the government seat of our great nation and it swims in the occult symbolism all around? How prophetic.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 03:42pm PT
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It surely must've been the work of Kalifornia wolf-lovers, who had heard there must've been 5 or 10 Idahoans in the building worth targetting.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 04:02pm PT
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dirtbag = shill
What retarded shill you always make yourself out to be.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 04:06pm PT
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Coming from a guy who believes the moon landings were faked, your criticism of me is really more like an endorsement.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 14, 2009 - 04:08pm PT
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it's almost a moot point. The conspiracy to invade Iraq based on lies and cooked information is WAY easier to prove, cost a lot more innocent lives, and there's TONs of evidence regarding it.
Still, folks look the other way and no investigation is really pending. Humans are sheep and we are in our pen.
Peace
Karl
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 04:09pm PT
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I never said they faked you stupid fool.
I always said they didn't go there.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 04:10pm PT
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Oh ok then, that clarifies everything. LOL.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 14, 2009 - 04:19pm PT
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Not voting for Bush would have.
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John O'Connor
Boulder climber
Fort Fun
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Sep 14, 2009 - 04:30pm PT
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You are going to die, you have to pay your taxes and governments lie.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Sep 14, 2009 - 05:34pm PT
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OK, I could possibly believe our government was "complicent", i.e., they had credible intelligence that a "9/11" was imminent and didn't try to stop it so they would carte blanche power in the aftermath...but to say they somehow planned it and orchestrated as perfectly as it played out...well then, you are fooking loon!
I would say that our gvmnt was complicent in that their lack of requiring stricter national airport security and commercial airline cockpit security, thanks to the airline industry lobbying groups was BLATANT NEGLIGENCE in basically inviting someone like Al Queda to hijack commercial planes...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to have pulled off what Al Queda did.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Sep 14, 2009 - 05:52pm PT
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Sounds like Dick is now ripe to seek the truth. A compliment really, your mind's opening up. Your ready for the next step.
Now go read "Crossing The Rubicon". Bachar read it, so should you.
Arne
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pedge
Trad climber
SW
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Sep 14, 2009 - 06:01pm PT
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They were willing and able to orchestrate 9/11 to justify their war plans and whatnot, but they could not and/or would not fake the the finding of WMDs in Iraq to bolster the credibility and authority they were trying to build?
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wally
Trad climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 06:19pm PT
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Right on Roxjoc i'm with you.
The math does not add up. If you actually believe that a plane can take down that size of building engineered to take huge impact forces then honestly drop your bible immediatley go down to closest library each sunday and learn something about science and physics from a source that has nothing to do with religion.
Are americans really that stupid and ignorant to blindly beleive any reason given to them by fox news. I feel sorry for you people and it sickens me to think that is how america is evolving. Let's not think, there's always an easy answer isn't there?
BTW did anyone notice the perfect 45 degree angle on each main support on each of the three buidings located hundreds of feet down from where the planes hit? That's what took the cake for me.
Please yanky doddle dandies drop your bibles and go learn something please before it's too late!!!!!!!!
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 06:21pm PT
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Oh brother.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2009 - 06:28pm PT
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One simple thing to keep in mind that many might just be missing and it is flying right over your head . . .
9-11 is in Bible Code. The Bible is the inspired word of God. God wants us to know his word, and asks us and implores us continiuosly through the word to study his word and show our selves approved . . . God wants us to know the truth. God wants us to know the truth about 9-11-01. That is why it is there to be witnessed, and we can all read it for ourselves. He doesn't want us blind sided by evil. He wants us ready and prepared. He always has. That is good enough for me.
He wants us to know so we are not fooled and taken by these evil sons of Lucifer (now you thought I was gonna say another word instead of Lucifer didn't you?), and we are not to be ever surprised again. I have grown spiritually, matured intellectually, and witnessed the pain and horror (as you have) and I am now so much more skeptical about the world of man as a result of 9-11. I think God wants us to know these things so we see the enemy for what he "they" (the Neocons/NWO/Evil Elite etc.) really are, and what evil they are really capable of. They are as their Father Lucifer has taught them and guides them. Nothing will surprise me anymore. I now know the evil intent of what we face, and it sent me running back to the loving arms of God.
He wants us to know the truth. Now, whether we can do anything about it is another thing. I'm sure he wants us to try. We should always try to stop evil. The good book says that believers are the Salt of the World. We help preserve it. Now many of you will try to throw that back in my face, and point out the evil that so called believers do. Then I say, they are not truly believers are they? You can not be children of God and do evil. The two don't ever mix. Jesus made that plain and clear over and over again.
Whether we succeed is another matter. But rest assured God will.
Romans 12:19 (KJV)
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."
By the way, that verse above gives no room for pre-emptive war doctrine or war itself on this side of the New Testament. Bush, er I mean Shrub, is wrong. I don't care what he thought God told him. He is delussional. God doesn't contradict his word ever. Yes, everyone has the right to defend themselves but no more than that.
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