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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Yeah Blitzo, she was good family! Remember a choice trip once to the Valley with the likes of Shawn Curtis, Dave Wonderly, Mike Paul and I think Pat Ney. Met up with Virginia and Lucy, we had a gooooood time! Oh dem were the daze.
Peace
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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It's unclear if an education in critical thinking was included in his many advantages.
I pose the same question to you as I did Wes, hoser!
(I did take a symbolic logic class in college...dropped it, thought it was a bunch of crap!)
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Blitzo
Social climber
Earth
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Bluering has obviously never gone without or had to survive. Long hair, smokes dope, drinks, Christian, Republican?
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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I gave up the dope, Blitzo......mostly.
When are you, Locker, TGT, and Lynne coming up here? Let's do it!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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You live in an imaginary world. While I appreciate your invitation to play, I have grown up things to do.
yeah, run away......
I live in an imaginary world where I constantly dwell on the plight of people who would have flourished and made a beautiful world if only the White Man hadn't arrived. A place where everybody lived in harmony and the Nazi's and Chiner's wouldn't dream of conquer.
whatever....
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Blitzo
Social climber
Earth
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It's been a while since I've been up there. I used to live in Cupertino and work at Planet Granite.
I actually love the Bay Area.
Bluering, We'll meet some day and we'll have fun!
It's hot here in Joshua Tree and I want to blow something up!
Happy 4th of July!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Come up North, we can both blow something up......
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Bluering, I'm a native, have had family and friends live on the reservation, if it were all so simple like you make it sound, I doubt many Indians would choose to live that style of life. Some do have it good on the reservations, but most don't. What happened to the indigenous people of north america is perhaps worse than what has happened to others that have suffered genocide, slavery, oppression and other personal injustice. I don't live in the past and I've got things pretty dang good, but you should give this a rest, what you say(at least to me) is offensive and it seems like you're getting sucked into this topic without REALLY knowing what it is like for those that have suffered and continue to suffer as a result of what the US government has done for many, many years. I wish it were so simple for those people to leave thier reservations and, as you say, go get a phucking job, but it isn't. Chill on this, or at least take a break for a while.
Happy 4th of July
Peace
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Ron, I would just like arrogant pricks like wes to tell me..well, I already asked the question.
It would be nice too, for my own enlightenment, for you to tell me how the gov't is keeping Natives down though. I just don't buy it. How is the gov't oppressing native Americans?
What do they want?
I appreciate your input.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Oli, f*#k off! If you can't answer questions, why do I talk to you?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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"What do you think would have played out on this continent if the Yankee didn't CONSUME it?"
It's an imaginary question, although it seems fair to suggest that European settlers in the Americas consumed if not devoured the first peoples, and the natural resources they found. My avocation is history, and many of the "what if" questions that one hears are nonsensical. Because that's not what actually happened, and it probably never would have happened. Historical currents and undercurrents are often far stronger than is apparent.
Most pre-1914 immigrants to the Americas, to North America or even to what is now the U.S.A. weren't of Anglo-Saxon heritage. Even those to New England, supposedly the Yankee homeland.
My ancestors (Norwegians) were the first Europeans known to have arrived here, in about 1,000 CE in L'Anse aux Meadows. They went home soon afterward. No real consequences.
Given what was happening in the Mediterranean and western Europe in the last half of the fifteenth century CE, and the sixteenth century, it was almost inevitable that Europeans would discover the temperate latitude Americas, and once here, that they would behave as they did. Many events may seem fortuitous in isolation, but the Spanish, the Portuguese, the French and eventually the English would all have shown up. There were many twists and turns along the way, and North America might well have ended up with much larger parts that are French or Spanish speaking. The English to some extent came in to pick up the slack of colonization as the others' energy flagged. The boundaries and forms of government might have been somewhat different. There's certainly nothing to say that "history" inexorably led us to where we are - but once Europeans were well rooted on the east coast and in central and south America, the rest was pretty likely.
As coz mentions, guns, germs and steel, combined with the dynamism (economic, governmental, technology, etc) of Europe at the time, led to a fairly probable result.
Modern estimates are that native populations declined by more than 90% within a century after first contact, due mostly to European diseases. But then, every army in history until World War I had more casualties from disease than injury.
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Olihphant
climber
Somewhere over the rainbow
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Keep waving the flag harder Bluering. Maybe the sound will help continue to drown out truth for you.
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Olihphant
climber
Somewhere over the rainbow
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bluering
Trad climber
From: Santa Clara, Ca.
Come up North, we can both blow something up......
Inquiring minds don't want to know...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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you're an idiot, Oli.
Am I supposed to be ashamed of your last post? I'm not.
BTW I do have a flag waving outside....I'm such a rightwing tool!
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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"How is the gov't oppressing native Americans?"
well, up in Canada the gov't is not recognizing the effects of the huge scale pollution from the Alberta tar sands. No one but natives and a few trappers lived up there until oil was discovered. Now the oil industry is steaming oil out of the tar sands and creating lakes of toxic crap. It has destroyed the native fishing industry - the fish have big sores and cancer, and so do many natives living downstream. Its all Arctic drainage. The oil is going to the US, though hopefully we can begin to stop this dirty crap from being allowed in. No sense supporting projects like this with such long term consequences - poisoning and desecrating natural land, without consideration for the inhabitants.
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Blitzo
Social climber
Earth
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This is good! I think I'll have another beer and shoot off some M-80s!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Now the oil industry is steaming oil out of the tar sands and creating lakes of toxic crap.
That ain't cool. What's your source?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Wes and y'all are such pussies when asked tough questions.....
Nothing but rhetoric, typical commie crap!
M-80's, that's good stuff right there....just don't blow off one of Locker or FISH's useful climbing digits!
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