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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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May 11, 2009 - 05:40pm PT
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Last time I saw another party out climbing, I knew 'em
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 11, 2009 - 05:57pm PT
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But I like listening to the wafting zephyrs, the babbling brooks, the tumbling falls, and the chirps of the birds.
Some friends - a couple - have the last names of Brooke and Poole. Really. The male named Brooke, but a quiet sort, and the female named Poole, but noisy. I once remarked that there seemed to be confusion between the still and silent Poole, and the babbling Brooke.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 11, 2009 - 06:05pm PT
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Last time I saw another party out climbing, I knew 'em
We used to joke about John Clarke being upset to discover that whatever sub-range of the BC Coast Mountains he was planning to climb in had already been visited by another party that year.
As to this thread, I just don't know. Sublime experiences in the wilderness are great, but it seems unrealistic to go to a popular crag on a weekend and expect any kind of peace and solitude. Not that someone yelling "F*#kin-A dude! F*#king-A! Kill that climb" is any fun to listen to, but...
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kubok!3
climber
Austin, TX
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May 11, 2009 - 06:37pm PT
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I climbed with one of those loud talkers/grunters for a while and it drove me up a wall. I don't ,mind some noise while in the act of climbing but retelling of your struggles at the crux to strangers complete with moans and grunts is a bit much.
Most things don't bother me except for the loud talkers. If you're 150 ft away from me, I should never be able to hear your conversation...
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Swami Jr.
Trad climber
Bath, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2009 - 08:32pm PT
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Personally, I think making a bunch of f*#king racket when you're out on the rock, no matter how busy the crag, is disrespectful. On a deep level I suspect those who need to shout out bullshit and crank sex pistols are looking for attention. The rock is not the place to look for attention. It is not the place for ego. These are my beliefs. Leave your issues at home, and find some challenge and relaxation and meditation and humbleness on the steeps. Many thanks to those who posted, regardless of views. I especially appreciate those who said I should have said something, which is absolutely right.
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MisterE
Trad climber
One Step Beyond!
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May 11, 2009 - 08:41pm PT
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Hey, Swami - you should go climbing with Jeff Constine -
he can clear the crag for you in no time!
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Swami Jr.
Trad climber
Bath, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2009 - 08:47pm PT
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sign me up misterE. I'll gladly belay him.
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MisterE
Trad climber
One Step Beyond!
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May 11, 2009 - 08:56pm PT
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It's not pretty, and there's always the risk of the derision turning onto YOU.
YMMV
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AllezAllez510
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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May 11, 2009 - 10:08pm PT
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Do I not have just as much a right to make noise as you have a right to quiet? As with everything, the answer lies in the middle ground.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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May 11, 2009 - 10:47pm PT
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As mentioned, expecting serenity at a popular sport crag is like going to the hardware store for milk - but a genuine loud mouth is a nuisance no matter where they are.
JL
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 11, 2009 - 10:50pm PT
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hahaha lotta noise here
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
North of the Owyhees
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May 11, 2009 - 11:05pm PT
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Prod & Jeremy RULE!
eff you if ya don't like it.
Deal with the world you made...........
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Swami Jr.
Trad climber
Bath, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2009 - 11:38am PT
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ah well. looking forward to seeing all you noise-makers out there.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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May 12, 2009 - 11:58am PT
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Swami J - looks like much of the ST crowd and the loudmouth crowd are one and the same doesn't it! I'm with Big John -- loud, dumba$$ yapping is drag wherever it occurs but it seems to be part of life.
I'd point out to AllezAllex510 that the right to be loud and the right to be quiet are not quite the same. Being quiet at the crags or in the campground doesn't affect your neighbors, but being loud does.
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hooblie
climber
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May 12, 2009 - 12:07pm PT
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my memories of how it was are made all the sweeter as the reports come in of how it is. just highlights the purity of werner's sage advise: "climb like smoke"
goes to the greater question of how to 'be' on the planet.
to watch one of the masters waft up and over has a quieting effect.
when a mindful path presents itself, decide with care
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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May 12, 2009 - 12:08pm PT
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perhaps you are trolling, but-
re: "As with everything, the answer lies in the middle ground."
beware of guidance so interpretable that anything at all can be interpreted as acceptable or appropriate.
my take would be that we ought to seek to have a minimal impact on the rock, on the environment, and on the experience of others. if you are near a quiet group, you ought to recognize that and shift toward being quiet, if only as an unconscious reaction of consideration for others.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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May 12, 2009 - 12:26pm PT
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Sometimes when I take a group of kids or families climbing, we are the loudest group at the crag. Its not something I am proud of, and try to keep the noise to a minimum but with kids and moms yelling back and forth, and kids screaming and playing, it seems hard to keep under control for long. I know it pisses people off, and I don't appreciate it when it happens to me inflicted by someone else. BUT..it is after all, just a crag. If people truely are looking for peace and serenity, go to the mountains or get on a multipitch. Going to a popular crag, you just can't expect peace and quiet. People also get pissed when I have a rope on a pitch and getting kid after kid on it, but what am I gonna do? Such is life....
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Aya K
Trad climber
New York
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May 12, 2009 - 12:29pm PT
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Wow. y'all must not climb at the gunks that much.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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May 12, 2009 - 12:37pm PT
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"my take would be that we ought to seek to have a minimal impact on the rock, on the environment, and on the experience of others. if you are near a quiet group, you ought to recognize that and shift toward being quiet, if only as an unconscious reaction of consideration for others."
Amen.
If you can be loud with your pals without rolling up on the heals of someone who was already set up and enjoying a quieter time, then there isn't really an impact.
Otherwise, it's sort of a "My rights matter more than your rights" kind of thing.
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pedge
Trad climber
SW
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May 12, 2009 - 12:43pm PT
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Minimizing impact includes keeping the noise down. Not only does it bother people, it can tip the balance for some animals deciding if they can wait out the intrusion or if its time to abandon the nest. Places like Paradise Forks can become like a gym when people are yelling in that enclosed canyon. But the thing is, people aren't that loud in the gyms I have visited --- why? maybe they don't want to be thrown out for obnoxious, rude behavior, but they don't worry about bothering people outside?
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