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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Mar 11, 2009 - 05:28pm PT
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Ya mean like here, RJ?
edited for a better shot than can be posted
Yes, I know there are multiple falls. I suppose if the body washed downstream then the recovery would be a Swiftwater Rescue Problem. I'm assuming he landed on the Snow Cone, e.g. a Bombing zone. Like here, but with more water less snow:
I'm simply curious as to the level of risk these YOSAR guys will assume for a body recovery, or if they wait until it becomes more safe (e.g. gets washed downstream)
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Mar 11, 2009 - 05:44pm PT
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Who's the fat chick on the right?
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 11, 2009 - 06:26pm PT
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How do you safely recover a body at the bottom of the falls?
cleo --- we wait till July/August when the water recedes.
Generally between now and then sar will be monitoring the area to see if the body surfaces. Once the water level goes down to a more reasonable level a more intensive search will be conducted with underwater swimmers.
As of now it's too dangerous for that.Ultimately IC (incident command) makes the call of when it's safe for their personnel to activate an attempt at search and or retrieval.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 11, 2009 - 08:30pm PT
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At least one person - a little boy wearing a life jacket - went over Niagara Falls [without a barrel] and survived. I read about it in Reader's Digest, so it must be true...
"My sources tell me that the guy was a certified nut case. He was on the phone with his head doc prior to jumping into the creek(just above the falls). The doc was the one who notified the authorities. The guy also indicated he had a gun."
So is this what happened then?
Condolences to the family - what a shame.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Mar 11, 2009 - 09:59pm PT
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Cue the Twilight Zone theme,,,
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reddirt
climber
Elevation 285 ft
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Mar 11, 2009 - 10:43pm PT
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http://www.connpost.com/ci_11889523
Man recently convicted, commits suicide
By Michael P. Mayko
Staff writer
Updated: 03/11/2009 08:24:22 PM EDT
A 37-year-old Waterbury man despondent over his Feb. 18 federal court conviction in Bridgeport committed suicide in Yosemite National Park in California Monday night after falling into the tributary of the park's highest waterfall following five hours of attempted negotiations by park rangers.
As of late Wednesday, park rangers had not found the body of David Zerbe, who recently received additional time from U.S. District Judge Stefan R. Underhill to file motions to overturn his conviction on making a false representation on a U.S. Department of Labor job application and twice misrepresenting himself as a DOL investigator following his termination.
The charges carry a possible maximum 11-year prison term, but more than likely Zerbe would not have received anywhere near that term.
"I don't believe the government was going to seek his incarceration," said Robert Golger, a Fairfield lawyer who until recently represented Zerbe, who was free on $150,000 bond.
Zerbe's siblings said Wednesday their brother was "very despondent" over the felony conviction which ended any chance he had of obtaining a teaching degree. Several of his family members are on their way to Yosemite.
Prior to the suicide, Zerbe called several individuals involved in his prosecution, sources said.
Tom Carson, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office would not confirm whether his office was called.
"We're still awaiting the receipt of additional information,"
he said.
Investigators believe Zerbe flew into Los Angeles International Airport, rented a car, drove six hours to Yosemite and then hiked up a snow- and ice-covered three-and-a-half-mile trail to Yosemite Fall -- which at 2,425 feet is the highest waterfall in North America.
The rental car along with a note were found in the park.
At about 1 p.m., Zerbe called the park rangers' office, Freeman said. She said he told them he had taken anti-anxiety and antidepressant medication, had a gun and described his location.
Freeman said a team of rangers skilled in negotiating surrenders made the uphill trek which took a couple of hours before they reached him. A California State Police helicopter hovered above them and a
Tuolumne County Police SWAT team rappelled down granite slabs to the vicinity of where Zerbe sat on a rock near the water.
"He was not close enough for us to grab him," Freeman said.
For five hours, they attempted to talk Zerbe out of his apparent suicide. They matched his identity through photographs.
At 7:14 p.m., a park ranger saw him begin to remove clothing, a common occurrence among people suffering from hypothermia, and drop into the water.
"The water temperature was unsurvivable," Freeman said. "It's as close to snow melt temperature as possible."
Freeman said the area where Zerbe "climbed into the water" is filled with small glaciers, submerged boulders and log jams and quickly leads to the first 700-foot drop.
Park rangers searched from the air and ground Tuesday. As of late Wednesday, Zerbe's body had not been recovered.
The jury found Zerbe guilty of falsely claiming he had University of Connecticut law school credits on a U.S. Department of Labor
application.
They also convicted him of misrepresenting himself as a DOL investigator, a job he held for about a month, in a letter to the Connecticut Commission on Human Rights and Opportunities involving a complaint he filed while working at the United Parcel Service in Stratford and later while working at Bassett Furniture on assignment from Monroe Staffing, a temporary employment agency.
Golger, appointed by the court to represent Zerbe in the trial, described him as "an extremely intelligent man who could have done many things with his life. He held a master's degree and spoke several languages."
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Mar 11, 2009 - 10:52pm PT
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LoveGasoline, Thanks for the laugh I had when I read your response. :DD Guess if yo having a good day in New York City you just smile AMAP. If a bad day, gezzzz....
I don't think we were meant to live crammed together in big cities. I don't think accumulation of stuff is healthy either. IMHO lrl
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Mar 11, 2009 - 11:05pm PT
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hey.. not suicide... not even natural selection (huh..like that really exists...hahaha)...... it can all be explained completely if we pray, I'm sure...
Gawd took (his)(her) little angel back to heaven.... Werner, you of all people should know this..... after all there are no such things as "accidents"... everything happens for a reason and out little human minds may never know the meaning behind the reasons, but they are there... just as sure as the sun is the center of our solar system...
Claus... Funny as hell, keep it up!!! LOL
Werner - You could tell all, but choose not to... just say so, it's cool.. we understand....
(hey.. all that stuff I said about the angel and gawd and heaven... I didn't really mean it.. after all there is no gawd)
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 11, 2009 - 11:11pm PT
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That's so very sad. He must have been so very depressed and scared and hurt to have considered no other way out. Condolences to the Zerbe family.
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JOEY.F
Social climber
sebastopol
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Mar 11, 2009 - 11:15pm PT
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Brilliance run amok in his head,
cope mechinism not functioning.
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Carma
Boulder climber
fresno,ca
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Mar 12, 2009 - 12:34am PT
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KLAUS YOU ARE A F*#KING PIECE OF SH#TTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
Oh sorry! I mean a sorry F*#KING PIECE OF SH#TTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Mar 12, 2009 - 12:41am PT
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Jingy,
Werner isn't kidding. He's not choosing to not tell all, he's choosing to not get his ass in a sling.
There's a difference.
He's an insider, you don't talk about open investigations.
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hungry man
Trad climber
around
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Mar 12, 2009 - 02:32am PT
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damn Carma, that's a lot of Ts
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Mar 12, 2009 - 04:10am PT
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-knott to mention a heck of a first post...
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Michael D
Big Wall climber
Napoli, Italy
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Mar 12, 2009 - 11:30am PT
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Bluering: "really sucks because suicide is really lame. My condolences to the family."
I agree with the condolences to his family and friends. Suicide isn't always lame..I know a guy who committed suicide and saved 3 buddies. Despair seems to be a common denominator. Alleviate that emotion and your half-way home.
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Mar 12, 2009 - 11:55am PT
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at least the guy only took himself out , not killing others like the kooks from alambama and germany, suicide should be legal so if you really feel you need to check out, you could do so in a manner that gives family and friends some sort of closeure and understanding and you a bit of dignity
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