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rescue76
Trad climber
colorado springs
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Feb 19, 2009 - 09:01pm PT
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I never signed a waiver regarding my fourth amendment rights. I expect them to be protected!
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Feb 19, 2009 - 11:02pm PT
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As far back as the late 40s the earlier version of the NSA was listening in
on microwave and radio transmission. Originally for military conversation
on military frequencies. Eventually, due to the cold war and the
hunt for communists in the US they started listing in on domestic
communications.
I remember some "friends" in the early 70s that were involved in
some illegal activities. They told me they didn't fear getting busted
because they had scramblers on their telephone. The hair on my neck
stood up as I explained that some bored NSA listener was probably
searching frequencies when he came across scrambled jibberish.
Descrambling for them is a piece of cake so you can imagine how they
might have responded when they heard the words drugs, flights, etc. ..."Ring ring, hello DEA? I have something for you".
So this has been going on for quite a few years.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2009 - 12:12pm PT
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Passive RFID technolgy is not much different than how a metal detector works, and it's all about Lenz's Law. I use a metal detector for many fun and scientific purposes . . . searching for all kinds of conductive materials in the Earth or elsewhere.
Simply put: Currrent electricity induces a magnetic field, and in turn a magnetic field induces current electricity.
An electrical current induces a magnetic field, and when a conductor is placed in that magnetic field an electric current is then induced in that conductor. That electric current now in the conductor in turn induces a magnetic field with opposite polarity from the conductor placed in that EM field. This is all done with a simple system powered by a 9V battery (my metal dector). It is the interplay between the 2 magnetic fields that the sensor can interpret/analize and then modulates a meter that can be read or an audiable signal that can be heard. The system is very sensitive to different conducting materials: it can easily tell the difference between good conductors and oxides. It can even easily tell the difference between Fe and Au.
I would imagine passive RFID chips work somewhat similiarly, but the current induced in the passive RFID chip is then made to produce a low frequency radio wave that can be modulated to carry data, along with generating a weak EM field. The only thing really determining how far away they can be read I would assume, is the size and sensitivity of the the sensor and not so much the signal sent by the RFID chip. Just as long as both EM fields can interplay. That can be made (designed) to happen at a far distance if desired.
Just like metal detectors, how large the coil of the sensor is and how much current is passed through, determines how large the EM field will be that is generated. Some detectors can be designed to generate magnetic felds that easily go into the ground to 3m. With slightly different technology PI can go into the ground even further.
I would assume the same can be done with the sensors that induce passive RFID chips. It is a matter of the size of the sensor and how much current electricity that is used that will determine the size of the EM field generated. The fact that RFID sensors and passive RFID chips most often only work at a short distance is by design. They can easily be designed to go further, and they have. Just like metal detecting technology can penetrate so much further now. Depends on the size of the sensor coil and the amount of current sent through the coil in the sensing system.
Tell me if I'm wrong.
Also here is a great resource concerning the lawsuit cases the ACLU has brought against the US Government regarding the use of cell phones to illegally listen in and track people:
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/37741res20080701.html
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2009 - 12:36pm PT
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Maestro8,
What you don't realize, but you would if you watched the NOVA program, "The Spy Factory," . . . all this surveillance data goes into electronic storage to be pulled out any time in the future. The program said they are collecting data that can fill about 12 cabinet files full on every citizen in the USA every year. This kind of data can be used for any illegal dark draconian NWO purpose by our Government who are now running out of control, shreading our rights and freedoms.
Dissent can now be called and labelled under the phrase "enemy combatent," thanks to GWB. In my book, dissent is patriotic and is a right --- again protected by our Constitution. The Constitution was written to protect our freedoms and keep government in check. No wonder "they" hate it so.
Do you see the real danger? And if this continues under the Obama administration, then we have been had, duped, lied to. That does not sit easy with me. I wanted "change I can believe in."
I want my Constitution and Bill of Rights. That is what this country was founded on. That is my right and your right. That is what I said I would defend and protect, whether the enemy is foreign or domestic, when I took the oath as a soldier to defend my country.
Our Constitution is in danger of disappearing forever. To the NWO it is just a piece of paper; not to me, and it shouldn't be for you either.
The Constitution protects our way of life.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Feb 21, 2009 - 12:09am PT
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You are wrong.
The power available to a passive RFID is limited by its antenna. The smaller the device the less power that is available to "respond'.
A few feet. Max. End of story. After that you will feel the weight of the antenna you are carrying around.
And you still have not considered the wackiness of location detection, etc.
Did you ever see that Twilight Zone episode where the guy got annoyed by the club member who never quit yacking and bet him that he could not keep quiet for a year? Huge bet. Guy had to live in a "cage" and write notes for whatever he wanted.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 22, 2009 - 01:22am PT
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Dumber than sh'it.
There's already a guy inside you that knows every thought you have and every move you're going to make on everyone simultaneously.
He knows everything and he can't ever be defeated.
RIFID is little children playing ....
here's more stuff for you: http://www.geocities.com/howananee/Surveillance.html scroll down
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noshoesnoshirt
climber
dangling off a wind turbine in a town near you
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Feb 25, 2009 - 09:27am PT
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A bit off topic, but this should scare the sh#t out of you as well.
Link
A brief synopsis;
The Iowa national guard planned a training exercise to go door to door and search people's homes for firearms. The city leaders didn't think it was any big deal.
"The four-day event in April would have involved between 90 and 100 combat troops arriving in the Carroll County community in a convoy with a Blackhawk military helicopter flying overhead.
Troops would have gone door to door, asking the town's 443 residents about a suspected arms dealer and conducting searches of homes if property owners volunteered in advance to cooperate."
Shades of things to come?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2009 - 12:36pm PT
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I agree and it does.
It seems our government just keeps pushing the boundaries and testing just how far we will let them go in stripping us from our freedoms. It all seems like they are practicing for something. That doesn't sit well with me. We should never set our US troops against US citizens. That is Un-Constitutional.
We need to stand-up and say no more.
I don't have any guns, but I support the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time. I sure do have the experience from 50 caliber on down from my time in the US Army. And I'm an Expert marksman using an M14. I prefer that over an M16.
The Constitution gives us the right to have guns just for these very reasons.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Feb 25, 2009 - 01:19pm PT
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Reading that article from the Register, it sounds like this exercise was poorly communicated. But it didn't sound like the goal was to train for confiscating people's guns. Honestly, Iowa is one of the more conservative states around -- you really think they would try that?
As for cell phone listening, well, technology has pluses and minuses. If you're concerned about cell snooping, just don't use one. People got along fine for centuries without them. And if you're worried about privacy of on-line banking, don't do it. Again, people got along fine without it for a long time.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2009 - 01:38pm PT
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RJ,
Are you serious????
"I have never understood how someone can claim to support the constitution if they do nothing about it."
I'm a member of the ACLU. I give my time in letter writing and I give my money to help fight the unlawfulness when they ask. I do a lot of other political work and letter writing as well.
"how can you support freedom of speech, but not communicate?"
Whaaaaaaaaattttttttt?????????
"How can you support gun ownership, yet not own a gun?"
Easy. I support the Constitution and your right to own a gun. If I ever want too I can go buy one (at least at this moment). It isn't in my lifestyle at the moment.
I fired, trained with, and qualified with many weapon systems when I was in the 3rd US Infantry.
Maybe one day I will own a gun or 2 in the future (or near future), who knows.
"Think you support wildlife? I doubt it, too."
Come on. Are you serious? I'm a Sierra Club member, NRDC, etc. Before becoming a science teacher I worked in Environmental Consulting. One of the reasons I got out of that industry is because of my support for flora, fauna, and the environment. I have worked on, inputed into, and contributed to many EIRs with public comment.
"Buy a hunting license, or a fishing license, even if you don't hunt or fish. Its the only way that many states fund the fish and game services. THE ONLY WAY."
I pay taxes.
Also I have had many fishing licenses in the past. I will not just go out to buy a license just to buy a license unless I use it.
You sure assume a lot. And you know what they say . . .
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 25, 2009 - 01:47pm PT
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The constitution is not set in stone and not absolute.
It can be ripped to shreds at any time and will be.
Further down the road you will see this happen.
I guarantee it ...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 25, 2009 - 02:02pm PT
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So is it true that the proper shape for a tin foil hat is a pyramid?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2009 - 02:06pm PT
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WB,
Sadly I know you are right. It is happening right now. I have read the book and I know how it all goes down, but I have also read the end of the story and that is the good news. I know who ultimately overcomes in the end.
We have to be stewards of the Earth and of our Freedoms. We don't have to go along with it and we shouldn't. It doesn't have to go down and to be ripped to shreds and abandoned on our watch.
I think we should all try as much as we can to not let that happen on our watch. I owe it to my children and to future generations.
When they ask me "Did you fight and try to stop them when they came to take our freedoms away?" I want to be able to say, "Yes."
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MikeL
climber
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Feb 25, 2009 - 02:16pm PT
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Klimmer:
You poor thing. You're driving yourself crazy. You have no physical pain or suffering, no one has taken anything from you materially, yet you are creating your own suffering mentally and emotionally. You are even suffering over your own suffering. How healthy or sane is that? Your suffering is in your mind, and it has become an obsession. You're like Fattrad, publishing the thirty-something thread on the coming war to end all wars. Slow down. Rights, principles, concepts, ideas, thoughts, and even feelings are all made up in your mind. You don't have to have them if you don't want. You can be happy if you want.
Don't recall. Let go of what has happened.
Don't imagine. Let go of what could be.
Don't think. Let go of what's happening now.
Don't examine. Quit trying to figure things out.
Don't control. Quit trying to make things happen.
Relax, rest, right now.
(Naropa's 6 words to Tilopa)
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Feb 25, 2009 - 02:44pm PT
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"Then I wrapped the cell phone with ordinary aluminum foil. Rolled it up like a pig in the blanket with about a foot of foil, so it wrapped tight around it. Called the phone and this time it worked. It didn't ring. It shielded it really well."
If you have nothing to hide then the gov. won't track you or listen to you on your cell phone. The point of all this discussion should be that the gov. should not be listening and should not have the ability to listen unless it is a case where they have a proper court order given out in good faith by a judge who is not corrupt. Wrapping your phone in foil when you are not a target is fairly pointless.
The gov. employees have always had the ability to walk up to you on the street and kill you or capture you. Listening in on your conversations is not really an issue. The issue is them doing things that are not legal or laws getting passed that are not constitutional. Government power is important and government power is not what we need to avoid. Government corruption is the big problem.
Another problem is all of the weak people voting for representatives that are not corrupt but believe that they are elected to protect us as if we were children afraid of monsters in the closet. Weak people giving the government the go-ahead, by voting, to do things that are unconstitutional destroys the foundation of our society.
So instead of wrapping the phone in foil, spend some energy voting for and supporting representatives that will do good instead of evil. Put energy into being active in government and maybe go get elected and act on the side of good. Just don't think that a foil hat for your phone will stop government corruption.
Dave
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 25, 2009 - 02:47pm PT
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Dave
You missed the eternal absolute truth.
There are 2 things you can never trust.
1) A politician.
2) Women
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 25, 2009 - 03:21pm PT
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I hate to be picky, Werner, but I don't think of my wife (or women generally) as a thing!
John
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noshoesnoshirt
climber
dangling off a wind turbine in a town near you
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Feb 25, 2009 - 04:13pm PT
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Worth a quick read, a study of signal attenuation values of tinfoil hats performed by some bored grad students at MIT. Tongue firmly in cheek.
[url="http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/"]On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets:
An Empirical Study[/url]
"Abstract
Among a fringe community of paranoids, aluminum helmets serve as the protective measure of choice against invasive radio signals. We investigate the efficacy of three aluminum helmet designs on a sample group of four individuals. Using a $250,000 network analyser, we find that although on average all helmets attenuate invasive radio frequencies in either directions (either emanating from an outside source, or emanating from the cranium of the subject), certain frequencies are in fact greatly amplified. These amplified frequencies coincide with radio bands reserved for government use according to the Federal Communication Commission (FCC). Statistical evidence suggests the use of helmets may in fact enhance the government's invasive abilities. We speculate that the government may in fact have started the helmet craze for this reason."
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