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dogtown
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Cheyenne,Wyoming
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Jan 28, 2009 - 07:23pm PT
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The word from Wyoming Senator Barasso's office is PORK and the answer is a NO vote.
It takes a pretty thick rug to call this a stimulus package.
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apogee
climber
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Jan 28, 2009 - 07:26pm PT
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A Wyoming Senator calls the package pork? Wow, that's surprising... not.
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dogtown
climber
Cheyenne,Wyoming
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Jan 28, 2009 - 07:44pm PT
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Yeah,in the package there is .6 billon for state of Wyoming he told them to keep it we don't need it.
Creating work is not creating jobs.
When the work is done so is the job.
How about a bill that saves peoples jobs?
Nice one Skip!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:04pm PT
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Apogee, this bill was floated to the public as an 'economic stimulus' package to create jobs. How can you agree with all the handouts to poor and pork in there. I know this is typically what Obama was calling for, wealth redistribution, but now he's lying to call it something else.
And wasn't he saying he'd veto bills with pork in them? I know McCain did, but didn't Obama agree with that...before he was elected.
This will not gives us economic help anytime soon, just the opposite. It will burden our economy with more gov't debt and bloated beurocracy.
Bah! I'm talkin' to a liberal, you probably love this sh#t in the bill.
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apogee
climber
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:05pm PT
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Dogtown: "How about a bill that saves peoples jobs? "
$20 billion to modernize health information technology systems
$1.5 billion for community health centers
$43 billion for transportation projects, including $30 billion for highway and bridge construction and repair and $12 billion for mass transit, including $6 billion to buy transit equipment like buses
$31 billion to build and repair federal buildings and other public infrastructure
$19 billion in water projects
$10 billion in rail and mass transit projects
$41 billion in grants to local school districts
$21 billion for school modernization
Looks like a lot of potential jobs to me, Dogtown.
Bluering: Wealth redistribution? Do we really have to rehash that crock of sh*t? We all know who the true socialist was, and he just left the white house last week.
I am as anti-pork as you are (though we might disagree on which elements are 'pork'), but the fact is that there are going to be pet-pork-projects from BOTH parties in any bill- that's just political reality.
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AllezAllez510
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:09pm PT
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Is it possible that some of the "pork" my conservative friends are talking about might actually be creating jobs? Possible...ahem...at all. Can you guys at least wait for this to fail prior to complaining.
I mean...y'all got your war in 2003 with minimal complaining (minimal according to some). Come on...let us liberals have this thing...it's our turn.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:14pm PT
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Allez, it's possible but it doesn't smell that way. STD prevention, birh control, habitat restoration, new sod in the Capitol lawns?
Smells like pork, good eatin', bad for the economy.
And why wait? The bill is there...read it! I'm supposed to wait and see? Bullshit!
EDIT
but the fact is that there are going to be pet-pork-projects from BOTH parties in any bill- that's just political reality.
We're screwed with that mentality....
Also..
$43 billion to provide extended unemployment benefits through Dec. 31, increase them by $25 a week and provide job training
$20 billion to increase food stamp benefits by 13 percent
$4 billion to provide a one-time additional Supplemental Security Income payment
$2.5 billion in temporary welfare payments
$1 billion for home heating subsidies
$1 billion for community action agencies.
Look at that list!!! That's handouts, baby!!! That's IN ADDITION TO EXISTING BENEFITS!!!
What's a 'community action agency'? WTF!
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:21pm PT
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So the Obama Backers think this is going to fix everything?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:23pm PT
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We're in a recession.
What is so noxious about extending unemployment benefits? In a sense, they are like tax cuts, except they ensure that folks who are getting kicked the hardest may be able to scrape by and BUY things they need.
I don't feel like defending everything in the package, but that seems like money well spent.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:25pm PT
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Dirtbag...and they encourage them to stay on unemployment on my dime.
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apogee
climber
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:32pm PT
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"So the Obama Backers think this is going to fix everything?"
No, it sure as hell won't. But neither will sitting on your big, fat republican a**es, making typcial, knee-jerk, limbaugh-inspired criticisms, either.
You're either with us, or against us.
Bluering- where is your compassion? Isn't that a christian and GOP cornerstone? Not trying to be flippant or drag religion into this, but there are a LOT of people out of jobs right now that need help. Extending their unemployment until they can get a job seems pretty dang reasonable to me. And maybe even give 'em a few food stamps until they can get a job. What the heck is wrong with that?
Before you roar back saying something about how those who take welfare are a bunch of job-dodging, disability-draining societal good-for-nothings, keep in mind that those kinds of people are the exception to the system. And know that for those who really do suck off the system, I'm right there with you in figuring out ways to kick them in the a**.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:32pm PT
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Bluering, those are actually people who are inclined to work.
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just passing thru
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2009 - 08:34pm PT
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Current Headline from Drudgereport.com:
“Hollow victory: Republicans deliver slap in the face to Barack Obama”
“President Barack Obama got the $825 (or $1.2 trillion over a decade) stimulus package through the House of Representatives but the 244 to 188 vote is a hollow victory indeed. Without a single Republican voting for the bill, his high-profile visit to Capitol Hill on Tuesday came to exactly naught - at least on the House side.
Obama vowed to change Washington and usher in a new post-partisan era. The the mood music and optics were pitch perfect as he trekked up to the Hill. Republicans praised his gesture, welcomed his sincere demeanour and appreciated his willingness to listen.
Problem was, he wanted only to listen and did not want to act on what Republicans said. When he was asked if he would re-structure the package to include more tax cuts, he reportedly responded: "Feel free to whack me over the head because I probably will not compromise on that part."
He apparently added: " I understand that and I will watch you on Fox News and feel bad about myself."
That's fine. No doubt Obama will indeed get beaten up on Fox News. But his failure to get even the squishiest moderate Republican - including the 11 entertained in the White House by Rahm Emanuel last night - to back him is not merely a big score for Rep Eric Cantor, Republican Whip, and the rest of the GOP leadership.
It also shows that it is not just Fox, the loony Right or Rush Limbaugh - or however else you might want to characterise the opposition in order to marginalise it - who had grave misgivings about the content of the bill.
The Democratic leadership on Capitol Hill badly miscalculated by treating the bill as a victor's charter. Not that it seemed to bother Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, who grinned from ear to ear as she announced the result of the vote.
Obama said yesterday he did not feel he had ownership of the bill. Be that as it may, if it goes through the Senate in similar fashion and is signed into law then - the efforts of Pelosio and Senator Harry Reid notwithstanding - it will be his and his alone."
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:35pm PT
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Wow...Drudge report. Great source there.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:38pm PT
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Apogee, take a breath and look at the big picture. What's the best thing to do for unemployed people who want to work?
Handing them more money than they're already getting is stifling and vote-buying, not compassion. CREATE JOBS NOW, not in 16 months. That's what's needed. Encourage small business to expand and creat more jobs. How do you do that?
Funny how you guys always try to bring things back to Christian values when you probably hate them. Christian values teach that you show a man to fish, not give him a fish.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:40pm PT
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"Without a single Republican voting for the bill, his [Obama's] high-profile visit to Capitol Hill on Tuesday came to exactly naught - at least on the House side."
Actually, it makes the 188 Republican congressmen look like they haven't learned a thing, and aren't willing to compromise.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:40pm PT
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"How do you do that? "
Buy their products.
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Jan 28, 2009 - 08:49pm PT
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Seems maybe the 188 Republicans did learn something.
Eight years of running up Trillion Dollar Deficits with out of control Government Spending didn't help anything, and it probably made things worse.
(do they have a trillion dollars of anything in Canada?)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 28, 2009 - 09:16pm PT
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" Buy their products. "
Dirtbag, you're better than this...everything we buy is outsourced to China because it's cheaper for American companies, even small business, to do it there even if it's contaminated crap!
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jan 28, 2009 - 09:19pm PT
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50 million in climbers grants. Finally they will pay us to have fun. A big boost to the outdoor, food and booze business. Firewood providers will benefit as well, not to mention van conversions, shoe and boot companies, laptop and video gear. All hail Obamamun.
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