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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Nov 15, 2008 - 01:38am PT
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It's all a giant conspiracy to get someone elected to gov't and have them DO things. I know we're all used to our gov't not actually doing anything but come now.
And yes Obama is anti-military. That's why he got about TWICE as much money from overseas troops as McCain did. And military commanders endorsed him. Cause they all hate the military too.
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adam d
climber
CA
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Nov 15, 2008 - 01:44am PT
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Anyone researched similar applications to work in past administrations? Too late for me to do this, but I doubt if they were significantly different.
Are they peeing in a cup?
I don't agree with Obama about everything 2nd Am. related, but should he be able to ask his employees if they own one? I don't think this is the linchpin of his gun policy
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Nov 15, 2008 - 01:52am PT
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The Sky Is Falling! They Sky Is Falling!!!111
oh.... someone said that already.
my bad.
carry on
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Nov 15, 2008 - 01:56am PT
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" I pointed out earlier that while 46 million people was not a winning number, neither was it insignificant. That is a whole heck of lot people who think as I do or at least partly do so. "
So...
46 million other people heard of these questions about guns and came to the like conclusion that he's got a hidden anti gun agenda?
That many people think like that?
No wonder the republican scare tactics work so well.
Sheep.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Nov 15, 2008 - 01:59am PT
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you mean...
Sheeple.....
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 15, 2008 - 02:06am PT
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Have you ever been to Europe? How often, for how long, when, where?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 15, 2008 - 02:12am PT
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LEB, I asked you specifically to support your contentions that Obama is, would be, anti military, presume you mean non supportive of our troops. I also asked you to clearly state what Obama said or did that gives you such concern that he would be a socialist, your word. You have not answered either question.
You replied talking about Germany and Karl Marx. This is totally unrelated to substantiating your real concerns about Obama being anti US soldier, and he having a "socialistic" impact on yourself, or America, not sure what you are worried about there.
But clearly these were your two major concerns so................
Please LEB, answer my questions, I really want to know.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 15, 2008 - 02:13am PT
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After all the mud slinging in the election and after previous candidates were "Called out" after some bit of mud was found on them, it's pretty obvious that Obama's team decided it was better to know the sh#t upfront.
Besides, if they ask questions that people lie about, that says something too.
Sad that it's come to this but both sides are guilty of playing "Gotcha"
Peace
Karl
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 15, 2008 - 02:49am PT
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LEB, thanks for the tips on being careful to listen closely to people. But, getting back to what I asked you. You have NOT answered my very clearly worded, and now twice repeated, questions. You do NOT answer by talking vaguely about Germany or vaguely about having to just listen real hard.
LEB, know why you will NOT answer my questions? The real reason is because you cannot, and I knew you could not from the beginning. You know damn well that Obama has never said anything anti US troop, yet you say you are privately concerned that he is anti US military. I have tried three times now to encourage you to simply substantiate your claims about Obama.
You hope that I will quit challenging your unsupported, vague, misconceptions? No, when you say two plus two equals five, then I am going to call you on it.
Bottom line, you cannot back up your contention that Obama is anti Us military. What does that say about your own brain, your own thought process, that because you want to believe something negative about him, it must be true because you want it so bad to be true? Substantiate your contention that Obama is anti US military or apoligize for being wrong and retract your assertion.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 15, 2008 - 03:10am PT
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Hopefully by the morning LEB will have answered my polite question as to her travels in Europe. From her opinions on the subject, it sounds like they must have been extensive.
I asked FatTrad a while ago about his travels in the Middle East, which I'd assumed were extensive considering his strong opinions on the subject. If I remember rightly, he admitted he'd never been there. Not even to Israel.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Nov 15, 2008 - 03:51am PT
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"Here is a novel idea for you - the printed word. One can actually read books and periodicals about given topics without actually traveling there. In fact, one can do lots of reading of sources written by experts."
Irony.
So strong.
Can.....barely.....resist.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 15, 2008 - 12:10pm PT
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LEB, you still refuse to back up your own assertion that Obama is anti US military. You give NO specific example of language or action. You refer to some vague overall "sense" of his voting record as if those in the know, like you presumably, have the ability to interpret conclusions from selected memories.
I tried again, and again, and again, and just like I challenged Fatty to support his lie, so I have tried with you.
And that is my point here: Conservatives cannot support with fact many of their beliefs. Period. It always comes down to faith, faith that somehow because they thunk something, then that something just must be true.
The "Someone" was right in saying "They just don't get it"
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Nov 15, 2008 - 12:17pm PT
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What does the Second Amendment have to do with The U.S. Military?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 15, 2008 - 12:21pm PT
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"What does the Second Amendment have to do with The U.S. Military?"
Obama obviously wants to take their guns away and turn them into Islamic Mullahs
PEace
karl
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Nov 15, 2008 - 12:35pm PT
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Seems The Constitution was recently "interpreted" to affirm The People's right to bear arms, even the people who live in DC.
Not interpreted, but affirmed, defined clearly. Once we start nuancing and watering down 'the document', it's all gonna go to hell.
Riley, a state or local authority can not mandate unconstitutional legislation. If the 2nd says you're entitled to own guns (including semi-auto handguns), the city can't take them away...by law. They can try to take 'em, but you gotta take the biatches to court. It's clear.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Nov 15, 2008 - 12:38pm PT
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World peace...whirled peas...get it?
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Nov 15, 2008 - 12:38pm PT
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I have been to the Middle East, lived in the Far east, traveled extensively in Europe and spent quite a bit of time in the Andean regions of SA. To imply that one has to be acquainted personally with these regions to have some reasonable understanding of them or make considered and intelligent statements about issues related to them is nonsense.
From my perspective, all this speculation about Obama's sentiments vis a vis anything is a waste of time at this point. We'll know soon enough. It's going to be an interesting year coming our way.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Nov 15, 2008 - 12:43pm PT
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Riley, a state or local authority can not mandate unconstitutional legislation.
And before somebody brings up the gay issue, the same applies. There's nothing in the Big C about sexual preferance or sexual behavior.
Since there isn't, the States can 'interpret' that so called right, which is a joke IMO. A right? We think we have many rights but in reality we only few very basic rights...and that's the way it should be. Otherwise, you can start mandating 'rights' to just about any behavior.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Nov 15, 2008 - 12:54pm PT
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To imply that one has to be acquainted personally with these regions to have some reasonable understanding of them or make considered and intelligent statements about issues related to them is nonsense.
This is a silly notion by pretentious liberals that think since they've visited some shithole in India or Africa that they're in touch with the world.
Americans don't 'feel' the plight of other repressed cultures...yeah, right, that's why we're building schools for girls in Asscrapistan who when they show up for school get acid thrown in their face because girls should stay at home and STFU!!! We're such a bad country. If we never invaded that shithole, those girls would be safe in their homes w/o acid in their faces.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 15, 2008 - 12:59pm PT
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"To imply that one has to be acquainted personally with these regions to have some reasonable understanding of them or make considered and intelligent statements about issues related to them is nonsense."
Luckily, no one has suggested that. Even when FatTrad admitted he'd not been to Israel, which was kind of surprising. People are entitled to their opinions, and the opinions may well be informed and intelligent, even if they have no personal experience of the place or thing. I suspect it's much more likely that the opinions are informed and have perspective if there is personal knowledge and perspective - which may be why so many professions, including nursing and gynecologists, insist that their members have personal, hands-on, experience.
To sum up the famous stereotype of American parochiality "Foreign wars are god's way of giving Americans geograpy lessons."
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