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Jordan Ramey
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jul 25, 2008 - 09:12pm PT
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In regards to the poor taste.....
Well, I actually just wrote up a page long response, but decided that a few sentences would do much better. I hate flame fests on forums.
BWM was delusional about his abilities to the point of being very unsafe (harness falling off), completely misrepresented himself (5.10, you mean 5.6), wasted my friends vacation days to fly from oklahoma to california to be a "guide". He wasn't a newbie to stuff, but rather the kind of person that shouldn't be holding a belay device. This has been expressed by every partner of his that I've met.
And he doesn't lurk here so I'm not hurting his feelings.
So, poor taste... probably, but that's the price he's gonna pay for his actions.
edit: Standing... you're right, he said he didn't have a lot of aid experience, but he said he'd jugged thousands of feet. All we expected from him was the ability to jug, or at least the ability to learn to jug. I don't believe he'd ever held an ascender before we met.
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Jul 25, 2008 - 09:26pm PT
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SS, you are a big bag of sappy stupidity some times...
Ed
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
sunlight on the surf
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Jul 26, 2008 - 12:16am PT
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jordan - thanks for the response. a little more info in your previous posts would have been helpful for people whose computers can't view the videos, or for people who are turned off by the idea of watching something just to laugh at someone.
just trying to be fair. sorry to hear you and your friend had that experience.
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Nate Ricklin
climber
San Diego
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Jul 26, 2008 - 12:52am PT
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It's pretty clear to me that he said "quickdraw" and not "piton"... do you all hear "piton" ?
weird.
I feel kinda bad for the guy, with all his ineptitude on display for all to laugh at.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Jul 26, 2008 - 12:56am PT
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I once met up with this guy that drives a white van that got converted into a stealth climbing rig. He'd follow me everywhere. Always at the sushi bar. Always eating all the fish. One time... oh... nevermind... that was my fault. Well, there was this other time at the Doctor's office and we ran out of wine and... oh, sh#t, I finished the bottle. Nevermind. anyway.... the guy in the white van with the cat. Watch out for that guy. I forgot why but I'm just sayin.... He'll follow you, or me, or well... someone!
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Jul 26, 2008 - 01:11am PT
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I could swear he asked for a crouton.
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MisterE
Social climber
My Inner Nut
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Jul 26, 2008 - 10:04am PT
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Nature! You Bastard! LOL!
I deliberately kept BMFG's name out of my story to protect his amomymity - I may not like the guy, but I certainly don't want to slander his name or reputation on a public BB.
People get sued for that stuff. *hint*
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Jordan Ramey
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jul 26, 2008 - 01:12pm PT
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Ya know, on my home speakers (not the crappy work ones) I'm fairly sure he says quickdraw too. Oh well, either way the whole ordeal was ludicrous. That was about setup number 400 since he would change everything the second we set it up for him. If you can critique my setup, then you obviously missed the insane trying to implement a hook into the setup. really, a hook, not even a fifi.
I'm not entirely heartless, so I'm pulling the videos after the weekend. I never intended to make a permenant shrine to BWM for all eternity.
and finally, I wouldn't change any of it. I'll remember BWM long after I'd have forgotten that climb. Retrospectively fun!
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Jul 26, 2008 - 01:29pm PT
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It's pretty clear to me that he said "quickdraw" and not "piton"... do you all hear "piton" ?
He says quickdraw. The text is embellished but funny.
Who doesn't look like a goofass learning to jug?
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Jul 26, 2008 - 01:31pm PT
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My new motto is...
Don't climb with people operating on different agendas. That my friends is a recipe for disaster.
I go climbing with people who want to have fun, ignoring others that go to "work out," find dates, prove themselves, etc. This decision has made my climbing experiences much more pleasant.
AF
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Jul 26, 2008 - 01:37pm PT
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Neat observation.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Jul 26, 2008 - 01:44pm PT
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"or for people who are turned off by the idea of watching something just to laugh at someone."
You do realize this is the internet?
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Mark Cushman
Trad climber
Erie, CO
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Jul 28, 2008 - 05:39pm PT
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I'm the guy who pulled "Epic Mike" aka "Big Wall Mike" up the Third Flatiron in my story:
http://cushman.net/2007/06/05/climbing-encounters-of-the-third-kind/
It's unbelievable to me that almost the same things happened on the climb with Jordan. At this point I don't care if people know who this guy is, it's just downright dangerous to climb with him. Beware of any Mike from San Diego who has climbed the Third!
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jul 28, 2008 - 07:21pm PT
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I hook up with a random partner to climb in Ecuador. It was my first out-of-country climbing trip. We meet in Quito. He acts like we are in the most dangerous place on the planet- totally paranoid. We go out for dinner and he insists in walking in this kind of two-man formation so that we could see if anyone is coming up on the other. He says that under no circumstance should we be out after dark. I was 22 and was having none of that. I headed to a bar, danced and partied it up with a local girl and stumbled drunk into our room at about 3:00 a.m. We were off to a bad start. It never really got any better. I hated his paranoia and he thought I was a loose canon. We suffered through a first climb and then agreed to part ways.
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Phantom Fugitive
Trad climber
Misery
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Jul 28, 2008 - 10:57pm PT
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I can't resist.
I must post.
I was for a long time- addicted to climbing no matter the partner. Now, I'd rather solo or boulder, or read a book(okay, magazine) than climb with an idiot stranger.
My favorite(?) story was a double whammy-
Hooked up with a "NOLS"instructor(guaranteed Noob) in the Red Rocks P-lot. We did-what else- Crimson Chrysalis- starting at a lazy 1 pm.
Dude is sewing it up like Martha Stewart, but whatever- it's climbing, right? Takes him three hours to do three pitches, so I am in no mood to keep going. A rap line flies past, and this cute tan girl rappells by.
She looks us and up and down, smiles, and says "Sewing it up there, eh?" I about let go of the rope, as I had to hold my gut for laughing. Funniest Thing I'd ever heard.
This gal and her girl-friend end up crashing at my house for a week. We climb in the Cochise Stronghold among other places. Many web-date-like highlights, but the best being her un-clipping me from the anchor while on a slab stance. Not so hot anymore.
We are at each-others throats in a matter of days- she's mad at me for hiking too fast, not placing enough gear, etc.
I find her gone from our campsite one morning. I see her coming out of a nearby Dudes trailer camper in a bra and panties.
If you play with fire...
You tend to get burned.
PF
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 28, 2008 - 11:56pm PT
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I want SO BADLY to post a story here. But the other party lurks here so I have to behave.
Don't. want. to. behave.
Argh!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Jul 29, 2008 - 01:16am PT
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well by saying that much, you've already burned em, so what's stopping you?
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Jul 29, 2008 - 01:18am PT
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Had a belayer put me in dire straights on an unprotected traverse. He tensioned the line as I climbed so that I was forced to yard up several feet of rope and pay it out as I made the traverse. Wanted to kill him as I reached the ground but I had a better idea. When he reached the traverse I took him off belay and hollered up telling him to look down. He got the big eyes when he saw the belay line hanging free. I think he got the point.
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Jul 29, 2008 - 02:11am PT
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Crimpie,
You don't need to say anything. Especially since we don't know what kind of horrible things can be cooked up if you stir that pot.
(You never know how a proven fool can respond...)
Smiles,
Anastasia
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Kidland, 24x7, but sometimes Pasadena, CA
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Jul 29, 2008 - 02:15am PT
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I once had a partner who was great as long as we were climbing. The rest of the time, especially the car rides to and from the crags (he didn't have a car) involved various rants, raves and increasingly uncomfortable monologues from him (uncomfortable for me to hear). Finally, he stepped over the line (and I have a pretty good threshold for toleration) and I couldn't take it anymore. That was the end of that.
Good thing the thing he said was only two miles from his house and not 60.
I felt bad because when that guy was on the rock, it was like he was free from all the other attachments and aversions in his life that weighed him down. He was really happy. But I had to respect my own sanity as well.
Too bad I couldn't just meet him at the base of the crag and then say "ciao" when we finished the walk-off.
Fletch
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