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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 20, 2008 - 03:23pm PT
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Jim E:
To answer the question of "is supertopo real?" I say 'yes' it is real, although, for the last year or so it seems to have become a parody of itself.
Wurd.
But speaking of what's real, anybody checked out Lars and the Real Girl? We rented that last night and liked it.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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May 20, 2008 - 03:24pm PT
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Hey Happy,
We met a couple months ago at Jtree.
That was real, I'm almost certain :)
--wayne
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2008 - 03:34pm PT
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Uh oh.... I'm not remembering you, pud! You mean the trip in end of March? Or last fall, beginning of Novemebr.
I know that is awful to admit, but...well, I really am god-awful with names and faces. We didn't climb anything, right? Were you the guy along with Jude who I ran into in HVCG and I was taking pictures of a Joshua Tree?
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John Moosie
climber
Suckage California
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May 20, 2008 - 03:37pm PT
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I understand Lois, and I feel the same way.
Now about voting for McWar,.............
hahahaha....
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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May 20, 2008 - 03:40pm PT
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a good way to spend "extra time" is to check your e-mail
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 20, 2008 - 04:13pm PT
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NOTWITHSTANDING the generality of the specificity of the aforementioned preceding post by the party of the first part (hereinafter "the troll", or "the party of the first part", or "PTFP", not to be confused with PTPP), for the sole and exclusive benefit of the party of the second part (hereinafter immortally, forever and always "the LEB"), and the parties of the third, fourth, fifth and subsequent parts (hereinafter "the lurkers"),
AND whereas the hereinbefore, preceding and above noted statement included, annexed and incorporated statements wherein innuendo about the honourable, noble and graceful legal profession and its worshippers (hereinafter "those damn lawyers") was gratuitously and obnoxiously added, to the sole, entire and complete detriment of some, most or all of the damn lawyers,
AND notwithstanding that no slur, imputation, criticism or other blemish on the reputation, character, morals or behaviour of the LEB or the ancient and mysterious nursing profession was intended, planned, or hoped for, although it may have seemed so to some with skins, integuments, and other coverings that are thickness-challenged, but whose owners may not be so challenged,
AND whereas da nurtzes got der own way o jivin' that do'n mek heep big cents to dis ole farm boy,
BE IT RESOLVED THAT we cease, desist, end, terminate and discontinue this discussion.
Popular fantasy aside, lawyers generally don't use those words, and in fact are strongly encouraged to use what is called plain English. In law school, by courts, and otherwise. There's enough necessary jargon that good lawyers avoid the unnecessary. I don't know if you could get disbarred for excessively complex language, but you might get disciplined.
Nurses, of course, have their own jargon, some of which is understandable without help of a translator.
As for the bit about speaking in public for hours on end, and writing volumes about it - well, fewer seem to be listening than my immortal prose, profound thoughts, elocution, and grammar would justify. Don't you just hate it when no one listens? One reason KNOTT to have a thread-hit counter for SuperTopo - it might encourage those who post good climbing threads, but it might also encourage (hopefully the opposite) those who post other threads, and see that someone's actually looking at them.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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May 20, 2008 - 04:16pm PT
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Actually Teri,
I saw your post on the bulletin boerd signed "happiegirll"
and stopped by your tent on the way out of the park.
you were camped in the gully on the backside of Pinched rib.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2008 - 04:31pm PT
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Oh, yes!
Gully! I'll have you know that considering how full HVCG was when I got there, I was LUCKY to have such posh digs....hahahah. Almost every night somebody came through and asked if they could camp in the front of that site.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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May 20, 2008 - 05:50pm PT
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Dang, I heard, she was there.
2:47 183/83
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tooth
Mountain climber
B.C.
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May 20, 2008 - 06:05pm PT
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Yes Happigrrrl,
I could have said, "suppose someone returned..." but to me the supertopo isn't real when you are sitting around the campfire b.s.ing about anything besides CCH recalls. There wouldn't have been a difference to me.
If it matters to others, I apologize.
I don't think I would have learned as much about how a neocon thinks without pushing the arguments as far as I have, without the argument all I get is 'they bug me. Let's nuke em!' I understood that as bully mentality in elementary school, so now there must be more to it, right?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2008 - 06:24pm PT
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I just don't know why you would have wanted to set yourself up for such an incoming volley, is all. i got to go look at that thread again and see what happened.
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tooth
Mountain climber
B.C.
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May 20, 2008 - 07:03pm PT
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...because it isn't real. A volley doesn't matter. I like to put strong viewpoints out there because it elicits better more thought-out responses than every day blandness will. Unless someone gets angry, which I have no problem ignoring, but really, how often has anyone been angry at me?
Edit: Look at my Fatty's going to soil his pants' thread. It is interesting to read, there are a lot of viewpoints out there, two different perspectives on history. History that really doesn't matter how it went down, just how it was interpreted, and whether anyone learned anything from it. But the thread makes my point. I used to talk to my pro-war friends about stuff until we moved to professional school. Then they all disappeared and the only ones left didn't think it was a good idea. Now I find more at work. And the interesting old guys who fought for Hitler, grew up as hitler youth, and are amazed that people like Bush. THey agree that they were lied to by hitler to do his bidding. It has shaped their thinking.....
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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May 20, 2008 - 07:40pm PT
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kudos to mightyhiker for clearing all that up for us ;-)
yeah - it's real enough, but DMT makes a point about the non - verbal part too. very very easy to misunderstand, misconstrue, and misinform out here on the intarweb...
i've met many of you people and am very glad to call you my friends.
-tom
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2008 - 09:19pm PT
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tooth, I still don't get it, but as you said, I guess it comes down to how "real" you view a forum such as STopo.
I have no virtually disconnect between it and my 3-d life, and so I present myself authentically(despite the rather vocal protestations to the contrary by one member in the last few days).
As for inflection - the internet has been around a while now....and that shortcoming was recognized pretty early in. That's why emoticons were invented!
Sometimes I guess we bang out a post and don't think about the way it might be misinterprated, but if you keep in mind the inflection issue, it becomes almost second nature to add whatever cue is needed to let on where you're coming from. Some people use emoticons, some make the little html-like jokes like adding [/end rant] or whatever. Some write "joking" and things like that.
I prefer to use phrases within my sentences that give away the context but also are integral to the sentence. Maybe writing something like "In all seriousness" after I have just made a reply to something where I was joking, abd then adding some sort of serious information. The thing I WANTED to write was the joke part, but I know that if it was left as a stand alone, people wouldn't see it was joking.... A bit extra work but that's just the way I do it.
One thing that I DO find a little funny about discussion forums is how often people will think a post is directed at them when it was actually about someone further up. They seem to not realize the time warp that occurred or that others were before them.... And they get all up in arms about some remark that - with a little thought and reading of the thread - they would see pertained to something else.
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Paulina
Trad climber
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May 20, 2008 - 09:21pm PT
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I met Elcap... at FaceLift. He's real. :-)
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2008 - 10:03pm PT
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"Suppose I was at Yosemite and having some pizza or whatever in one of the cafes. Let us also say that one of the persons who is always very abusive with me so happened to be sitting in the next booth or table and he overhead the conversation I might be having with a friend about e.g. politics. Under these circumstances, I doubt he would come over to the my table and start spewing a lot of negative rhetoric"
The difference is that tables in a cafe act as a barrier of sorts. One doesn't go into a cafe and assume every conversation at every table is open to everyone in the cafe, whereas that IS the basis of a discussion forum.
But it is definitely a well-known fact that people tend to be more caustic online. A similar thing as happens in vehicles on the road. the barrier (of the cars or the internet anonymity factor) creates a sense of dissociation.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 20, 2008 - 10:31pm PT
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I've met and climbed with many people from Supertopo. All awesome (including fatty) so it's real to me.
Of course there is room for disclaimer. Some folks are more real on the taco than others but the same could be said for real life. Some folks are ready to share themselves and be honest and others are more prone to hide a bit. That goes on the net and in person.
We are always balancing on a spectrum of the Real and the Unreal in our human relations. I encourage folks to be as real as possible. People sense it if you speak or type from the heart and I think it brings people closer
PEace
Karl
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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May 20, 2008 - 10:51pm PT
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Crappiegrrl wrote:
"I have no virtually disconnect between it and my 3-d life, and so I present myself authentically(despite the rather vocal protestations to the contrary by one member in the last few days). "
LOL, you cry LEAVE ME ALONE but you can't let it go can you?
How can you expect me not to comment when you keep mentioning me? Are you just a consummate dullard, needing to bang your head against a wall over and over to learn a lesson?
You are the biggest hypocrite I've ever met, and that includes some indicted politicians.
Will you ever learn that your words have consequences?
I doubt it.
And since you are so authentic, why don't you turn yourself into the fed and state authorities, or do you just feel that dishonesty is somehow more authentic?
Just so you know, this will never go away as long as you keep poking at it. Keep lying, you'll keep getting retorts. God only knows how you can live with yourself.
I'll take a page form your controlling shrew manual, one that you've used on several people before, and say that you need not reply.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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May 20, 2008 - 11:03pm PT
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But in the deli or the pizza deck, when a conflict erupts, you can always break bottles and go at each other with jagged glass... instead of just, logging off.
Paulina, that was an imposter. I have it on good authority that Elcapinyoazz has no corporeal identity, or hides under an anonymous avatar, or something.
LEB, not unique, but worse than many.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
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Jan 25, 2013 - 10:48am PT
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in case it's the last thing i ever wrote,
this morning i was holding my two
grandaughters on my lap,
elezabeth and fur elise,
and as they were tracing their smooth
fingers across my rough hands
their mom
told me that my hands look
of a maniacal machine.
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