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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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May 12, 2008 - 04:13pm PT
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Police and brutality is not always an oxymoron.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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May 12, 2008 - 04:21pm PT
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RE:
"Rodney King was high as a kite. He SHOULD have plowed into a car full of kids and it would be just another sad story like you hear every sunday morning, but some local boys found him first and gave him a knucklin'."
you sure about that?
check it out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROn_9302UHg
THAT is police brutality.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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May 12, 2008 - 04:40pm PT
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And the aquittal of the officers caused huge riots in LA that led to looting, violence and damage. 53 murders in all, because some stupid cops beat the crap out of a drug laced retard who attacked them.
Lesson learned:
Next time turn the camera off.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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May 12, 2008 - 05:15pm PT
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"Lesson learned:
Next time turn the camera off."
Or maybe beat up that guy too and take his camera... Right?
Edit: Wow, Ray. It's been a long time since I've seen that. Now I'm pissed! Yeah, Rodney was *obviously* a serious danger to those guys. Super aggressive. Apparently a huge threat after severely beaten and laying motionless and being stomped in the head and neck and then hit in the back of the head with a baton again.
Yeah, I get it now. You guys have certainly opened my eyes. That's perfectly acceptable behavior by police officers. Those guys should be in prison right now. Regardless of what happened before the beating ensued.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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May 12, 2008 - 05:36pm PT
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Did he deserve to get his a$$ beat by cops? Do child molester deserve to get raped in the clink by pissed off rednecks? Do terrorists deserve to get humiliated in womens underwear after bombing US soil? Do the Federalis deserve to take $300 of my well earned dollars because I was in the wrong place at the wrong time in downtown TJ?
Life isn't fair, Nefarius. We do what we can. RK got plenty of attention, this stuff isn't going down like it did in the 60's. We've changed a lot, and for the better. Hopefully there will be a day when officers don't take advantage. I don't think that will ever happen, though. I still hate criminals, and if RK hit my kid while drunk and high, he would of been found in a box.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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May 12, 2008 - 05:47pm PT
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So Rokjox, you think that because I came out of a shitty hotel to see 3 Fedarali's standing by my car telling me they need 300$ or my car is towed is OK?
Guys who planned the 9/11 bombing (no, not the government you hippies, the sickos that actually planned it) got put into womens clothes, thats a terrible thing?
Your cool that child molesters who serve their sentences as per the judicial systems have the highest probability to be injured or killed serving them? Shouldn't that be included in the sentencing? 25 years + buttrape by big black guy and Redneck Ron?
I don't get a lot of you're reasoning, but thats OK. I don't get a lot of stuff.
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originalpmac
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2008 - 07:45pm PT
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GDavis, if you really think the sickos that planned it (at least nudged it along a little) were not in the government, and that dressing up these guys in womens clothing and humiliating them is ok, I wonder were you get your info. Justice should be served judicially and in all fairness. Not by humiliating people, not by dragging unarmed and PEACEFUL (it was a peace parade) across pavement. It should be done correctly, and with dignity.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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May 12, 2008 - 08:03pm PT
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"Justice should be served judicially and in all fairness."
So do you support crackdowns on crimes committed in penitentiaries? I'm just wondering where the logic kicks in.
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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May 12, 2008 - 08:20pm PT
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Sure would like to know what they did to prompt that in the OP?
Wow Ray,
I had not seen the R. King ass kicking in a long time. I bet he wished they had a taser.
Prod.
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originalpmac
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2008 - 08:32pm PT
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Gdavis, I am for cracking down on crimes in pens. And the logic and fairness is a thin and confusing crime. Rapist and molesters for example, if I caught one of them in the act, I might "accidentally" kill them, I think it is f*#ked. But at the same time I don't believe in capital punishment. Confusing, huh? and i don't think a child molester or rapist should be raped. It is such an atrocity that it shouldn't be repeated, ever. Lock the f*ckers up, ditch the keys. I would even say they should be castrated, but that is cruel and unusual. So it is confusing logic. And for some peoples logic about it costing money to house some of the worst criminal in society, then they should not lock up potheads, (ever) and nonviolent offenders for long periods of time. Money situation solved.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 12, 2008 - 08:45pm PT
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" Sure would like to know what they did to prompt that in the OP?"
According to the press articles, they joined the St. Patrick's day parade as peace demonstrators. At least some of them were covered by an official permit, others may not have been.
The Parade officials said that there was a ban on demonstrating for "social issues" in the parade, and that this applied even to those who had permits. They asked the police to make the demonstrator's leave.
Most did do but some didn't, or not quickly and quietly enough to please the police. The overweight woman who got dragged was a passenger in a permitted van. The driver of the van apparently didn't leave so he was arrested and the van confiscated. So the woman couldn't ride of in the van and she couldn't walk of easily either. But her big mistake was loudly asking for a policeman's badge number.
For anyone who held a valid permit, the order to disperse was clearly in violation of their Constitutional rights. That is probably a big part of why all charges were dropped and why the demonstrators will be allowed in the parade next year.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 12, 2008 - 08:51pm PT
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Most people in prison are going to get back out in the street. Those that were raped are much more likely to rape others and commit other violent crimes then they would otherwise. So even if you think some of them "deserve" it, it's better for all of us if they are treated more decently. Also, if start taking the position that some people "deserve" to be raped or molested, you are well on your way down a very slippery slope.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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May 12, 2008 - 08:56pm PT
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RJ its not the ticket its criminal bribery. Done all the time down there. I'm not complaining, what happened happened. Is it right though? Seems like you said it is. We got it easy here maties!
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Kicking Cairns
climber
Taos, NM
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May 15, 2008 - 01:49pm PT
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Peter Gabriel is involved in promoting the documentation of human rights violations with camera phones all over the world. Now, Big Brother should be aware that little brother and little sister are watching him, and filming too.
http://www.witness.org/
I can't help but think of how many of those cops have rotated through Iraq and Afganistan and how that has altered their behavior. To protect and serve (the property and opinions of the people in power).
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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May 15, 2008 - 01:53pm PT
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KC
How right you are. One of the murderers of Sean Bell in New
York was supposed to have been a veteran. He's the guy
that emptied two clips into the three unarmed victims in the
car. . . .
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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May 15, 2008 - 04:25pm PT
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Raydog and originalpmac, I just read through this thread and have this to add for you two. I spend a fair amount of time researching and cross-referencing shite on the net, because for now I can and, came across this (summarized):
Hunter S. Thompson WAS working on a book about the towers, but that was a side story. His daughter and grandson were in his house at the time and heard the gun fire in the next room. Why he would do this with his family in the house is the big question. Apparently, his involvement in the direction and production of child pornography at the Bohemian Grove Retreat was about to be made public by two sources, and that he could not deal with that information around his family and took his life.
Could be BS, but under the circumstances under which he committed suicide, seems to make the most sense. Sometimes the life of a GONZO is too reckless to understand.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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May 15, 2008 - 04:44pm PT
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The one and the same, yes.
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