TR: Fishers in January

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nature

climber

Santa Fe, NM

Jan 18, 2008 - 01:05pm PT

what the hell is wrong with you people. That just looks dumb! Nice TR, thanks for allowing me to appreciate the warmth of my new home.

Duke-

Trad climber

SF, aka: Dirkastan

Jan 18, 2008 - 01:34pm PT

Sick TR!

-Dirka

Cuckawalla

Trad climber

Grand Junction, CO

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2008 - 01:45pm PT

As far as waiting a few days. The snow was not there because it had snowed a few days before. It had just been cold for a week or so and as you can see what snow that would melt did. The side with snow will probably have snow until it starts getting above 32 degrees. I am under the impression that the type of "crumbly" or "soft" rock that are the fishers will deteriorate regardless. At what pace will it degrade is all speculation. I have done this route in the summer and I felt that just as much sand/clumps fell off as when I did it this January. I guess I feel that you are implying still that my pictures of it are of the intention to spray or proclaim my machismo. There are other TR here that have to do with winter aid climbing are they too ego inflated?
I guess we have to ask what the point of a trip report is?
A)To inspire and reveal new avenues of climbing
B) Self promotion
C)Entertainment
D) Repayment (in regards to all the times I could not get out and lived vicariously through others in their Trip Reports)

I take comfort in the fact of knowing that people are getting out there doing what they love, and sharing that with others. Sharing that bond with others, the humor, the fear, and the antics.

I am not saying whether what we did was right or wrong because it seems to be a Grey area. Under the circumstances I felt that it was safe and non-detrimental to the route. But who am I but just another theorist.
-Jesse

flamer

Trad climber

denver

Jan 18, 2008 - 03:20pm PT

Jesse,
I agree with what you are saying. Particularly about a TR being a means to inspire other people(as I stated before).
My posting on here, especially in regard to you, wasn't intended as a "flame"...you'll notice I didn't call you names or a bad climber or anything of the like.

Rather I was pointing to the grey area you speak of. Was what you did right or wrong? The only person to really make that call is you. It certainly sounds like you made an educated descision. But there is that grey area, and posting a TR without mention of it may encourage people who won't make an educated descision. My post was meant as a means of pointing out that grey area. Not as a slight towards you.

The fishers are a special place, one that demands increased stewrdship of the land. Not only the towers themselves but even the muddy trails, etc.

In the end aren't we all theorists?

josh

paganmonkeyboy

climber

mars...it's near nevada...

Jan 18, 2008 - 06:19pm PT

so i'm gonna speculate no one wants to see my 'climbing the fishers with ice tools and crampons' test next month, eh ? i think the mud's too thin for mono points, might try horizontals instead of vertical...

(i'm joking...that mud won't hold horizontals either ;-) )

coward

Trad climber

Boulder, Wyoming

Jan 18, 2008 - 06:45pm PT

Why aren't the Fishers a destination free climbing area?

You'd have to be pretty good to make a good showing on any major tower. But I'd say Ancient Art is definitely a destination in itself.

Chiloe

Trad climber

Lee, NH

Jan 18, 2008 - 07:09pm PT

I haven't counted but I think the votes are running very strongly in favor of future TRs from Jesse, whatever the season.

flamer

Trad climber

denver

Jan 18, 2008 - 07:12pm PT

Tis' true AA is an awesome free climb.

In regards to Ice axe's...look at a bunch of Duane Raliegh's routes....Ice axe's are on the gear list! He used them "grappling hook style". That's right tied a rope to them and threw them, once it caught...up the line!
BURLY.
Think those routes will see a 2nd?
Someday, someone will charge it I'm sure.

Oh and just to be clear..I'd enjoy seeing more from Jesse.

josh