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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Oct 26, 2007 - 08:13pm PT
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I know, Ray. Just teasin' ya.
I find it ironic, however, that they have that stuff there, with the ill feelings between the two countries. I guess the stomach is a bit less discriminating, when it comes to good food and drink, eh?
Have a good weekend, Ray!
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mcKbill
climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Oct 26, 2007 - 08:19pm PT
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The truth is that some of these tools made in China are just as good as made in the USA. Sure, I've bought junk Chinese made tools from Kmart and had them fail on first use. That's when I started buying only good tools: Craftsman, Stanley, etc...
About 3 years ago, while admiring one of my favorite tools, I noticed that it had the 'CHINA' brand on it. It was a Crafsman tool!!! I've abused this set of plyers, but can still count on it to help me do precision work. I'm convinced NOT ALL CHINESE TOOLS ARE BAD.
Now, Sears has been owned by K-mart since 2005. I'm more concerned about how THAT will affect the quality of the Craftsman brand vs. Sears' out-sourcing some of their manufacturing to China. Hmmmm...maybe I should be careful with my next purchase if the Kmart inspectors were out their making the final check on stuff to be sold in the USA.
On another note, I think the 'Chinaman' references in this thread are repulsive. I'm not Chinese, and I don't have any close friends who are, but I would think a term like that is hurtful. Why would any Taco go there? Chinaman? Americaman? Whatever. I'm just saying, it's repulsive. There.
--mcKbill
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Oct 26, 2007 - 08:27pm PT
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RE:
"I guess the stomach is a bit less discriminating"
it IS ironic...
climb safe,
Ray
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 26, 2007 - 08:55pm PT
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Craftsman pliers and screwdrivers were crap clear back in the early 70's way before anything was made in China.(socket sets were good though)
I did my electrical apprenticeship back then and my first set of tools were Craftsman. Within a year or two all were replaced with Klien or other brands with an exception.
I always kept a pair of dikes, (diagonal cutters)and long nose pliers with beefed up handle insulation for hot work. Every couple of years I'd screw up, blow them up and take them back for a free new pair.
The look on the clerks face when you bring back a pair of pliers with the end melted off for a free replacement is priceless.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 26, 2007 - 09:01pm PT
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Craftsman, Stanley tools are good?
Not me, I don't buy Craftsman or Stanley.
But Klein are OK, and snap-on, SK, mac are way better than any Craftsman.
Craftsman .... yelch
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