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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Aug 31, 2007 - 01:45pm PT
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Ricardo from SFO >>>".. assuming that all illegal immigrants bring disease is also bigotry .. "
Huh ?
Assuming that people that have limited or no access to heathcare and plenty of access to disease
might harbor more communicable illness than the current U.S. population is bigotry ?
WTF !?
Get down from your PCorrect high-ground/horse, you've dug a convincing hole of platitudes to wallow in.
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Durabone
climber
Santa Cruz Mountains
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Aug 31, 2007 - 02:02pm PT
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Nice patter.
I'm recalling a conversation that I had with a dentist in the Bay Area
about how homelessness was bringing back mouth diseases that
passed out of existence in WW1.
Ironic that the same economic might that has spawned so much
homelessness also brings disease in from other, less vaccinated
countries.
SYSTEMIC.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Aug 31, 2007 - 02:14pm PT
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Xela wrote:
Vaccinations are for your protection, they generally do nothing if you are already infected."
--Read the post, man! My post was in response to the statement "I think that once you start to designate people from specific geographical areas as high-risk (absent an active disease outbreak in that area), you're opening a whole can of worms. What do you do about US nationals traveling to such areas for instance? Quarentine them upon their return?"
Your post just reinforces what I said, really. We get vaccinated when we travel to high-risk geographical areas for our protection (as I said). Duh! So we don't get quarantined, etc. as was suggested in the post prior to mine.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jun 11, 2008 - 12:05pm PT
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Where can I get tags to hunt illegals?
Seriously.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 11, 2008 - 02:18pm PT
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I'm bumping this again.
It sickens me (and others) that we don't have quality control over food coming into this country. I suppose if we can't control people coming in at will, how could we expect food quality.
Some poor dude was recovering from cancer and all it took was a celebration at an infected restaurant to kill this survivor...fu-king pisses me off.
http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=8460041
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Aug 22, 2008 - 12:42pm PT
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RE: Salmonella poisoning is the Mexicans fault
Let's see; last year salmonella was found in California spinach and Peter Pan peanut butter. In March 2007, 150 people were diagnosed with salmonella poisoning after eating at a governor's reception in Krasnoyarsk, Russia. The year before a Cadbury chocolate plant in the UK was spreading the bug. In 2005, 16% of U.S. chickens were found to be contaminated.
Prejudice (\ˈpre-jə-dəs\) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b: an instance of such judgment or opinion c: an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
And what does produce from Mexico have to do with illegal immigration?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2008 - 01:43pm PT
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It has to do with an epidemic of tainted produce, primarily from Mexico. Chile and some other SA countries have a better track record.
Edit: I didn't mean that all worldwide salmonella is resulting from Mexico, just the North American produce. They use tainted water to irrigate their crops, man!
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 22, 2008 - 09:09pm PT
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RE:
" It has to do with an epidemic of tainted produce, primarily from Mexico."
this may have more to do with the (U.S. based)entities
that import/distribute, than the source.
Funny about immigration.
When Stalin cut slack to a bunch of Russian Jewish people
many emigrated to the U.S. and went to work in the textile
industry. My Grandfather, a sewing machine mechanic naturalized in Kentucky, was one of them.
Immediately they (the Jews) were blamed for driving down
the wages/working standards - and taking jobs from "Americans."
Nothing about the entities doing the hiring, though :)
Sound familiar?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 22, 2008 - 09:11pm PT
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Snooty society 'lady': "My ancestors came over on the Mayflower."
Hardworking recent immigrant: "Mine came over once they'd tightened up the immigration laws."
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 22, 2008 - 09:22pm PT
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Come on Blue, we are all about deregulation. Remember our hero, Reagun. Free economy bro. Screw regulations. Screw enforcement. If I want to sh#t on my arugula field so it grows faster and then sell that arugula to stupid americans who don't wash their produce, then I should be allowed to.
Or sumptin like that.
You get what you vote for. Lower taxes mean the government can do less, such as inspect and enforce safety standards.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 22, 2008 - 09:44pm PT
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dig this, here's where my other grandfather, Eagle
ended up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucyrus,_North_Dakota
No hassles there - just a bunch of stoic Norskies
clutching to an existence in the muddle of the Dakota
wastelands.
How 'bout the population figures for Bucyrus?
pretty funny.
Oh, BTW - Eagle was a blacksmith.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 22, 2008 - 10:03pm PT
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The best part of the immigration debate is that the anti-immigration arguments are literally all as old as humans.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 22, 2008 - 10:16pm PT
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now, here's something a bit ironic,
and on-topic:
This is what killed Eagle's wife:
http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/
So, my dad was raised by an aunt.
Also, it may have been the same pandemic
that killed off my other grandfather's entire
first family.
Yep.
His name was Henry. He then bailed from the
south and moved to Omaha Nebraska, met
his second wife and had seven kids.
Henry was no quitter :)
for sure.
alright, onward with the raging debate, I guess...
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 22, 2008 - 10:33pm PT
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The best part of the immigration debate is that we're almost all immigrants. All of us, if you want to go back far enough to include the first peoples when they arrived, or got off the back of the turtle, or whatever happened. Though they didn't displace any other humans.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2009 - 05:19pm PT
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Pate, it's funny you bring that up. I was watching 'gangland' today and a lot of "ethnic" gangs just kill people indescriminately, with no remorse.
Actually, the Aryan Brotherhood seemed to have the best ethics of all. Don't kill innocent people.
I know y'all will call me a Nazi or skinhead or whatever, but watch the difference between all these sacs of crap!
Mara Salvatrucha, MS-13, is the worst.
It makes me want to start my own gang to explicitly hunt down people like MS-13, they are very dangerous and very crude!
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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MS-13 is nasty, but they are largely a criminal gang interested in making profits.
The Aryan Brotherhood, on the other hand, exists pretty much solely to enforce a racist and homophobic agenda. I don't think I would ever use the word ethical to describe anything that group does. And I don't know the details to say whether or not they really try to avoid killing innoccents, but I'm fairly sure they have no issues with beating the crap out of people they disagree with.
As for food-based poisoning, it seems the two biggest epidemics I can think of recently both originated here. The peanut problem, and the e. coli problem on lettuce from the Salina Valley.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2009 - 05:54pm PT
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steve, you're right, the 'AB' as they call themselves, is racist by definition. They are all about white supremecy. The code I was talking about was from their own words from prison. Apparently, when they started killing peoples' innocent family members for lack of targets, some members broke off because they resented the killings of family innocents.
Does this make them more benevolent? Not really.
Just makes them less of a target in the eyes of my new gang.
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