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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Marin Hot Tub Country
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Oct 20, 2004 - 05:32pm PT
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Hey david, let's bet a beer on it.
Better yet, let's just convince the clowns to knock it off! ;-)
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ct
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Oct 20, 2004 - 05:37pm PT
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I think it would be a bad idea to start creating different subject categories for posts by subject. There is a never ending source of controversy about what goes where at RC.com, and one of the reasons I stay away from that site. The forum here is nice and simple, let's keep it that way. Self-moderation be damned, if you don't want to read political threads...Don't open them!!
Yes, political commentary does tend to leak into other threads, but so does libelous slander and name calling, nobody really complains about that. Supertopo is not RC.com, let's not start down the slippery slope of moderation and labeling. I vote to keep our imperfect online community the way it is, imperfect. I'm sure the political commentary will dissipate after the election
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Marin Hot Tub Country
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Oct 20, 2004 - 05:39pm PT
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OK, here's what is going to happen to anyone posting political stuff from now on...
Better watch out!
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Flash
Ice climber
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Oct 20, 2004 - 05:44pm PT
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People from the other side of the tracks might enjoy that HK...not much of a deterrent for them.
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TW#T
Gym climber
san diego, ca
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Oct 20, 2004 - 06:06pm PT
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ahahahahhahaha I love it Chris, you've started a new political thread, guess you really can't do anything.
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jclimb
Trad climber
Durango, Co
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Oct 20, 2004 - 07:41pm PT
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that beer butt chicken is some good shite
j
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 20, 2004 - 09:32pm PT
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I think it is not worth the time to moderate... I agree with the sentiment that it will die down in about a month or two. And it's the reader's choice whether or not to read and/or participate in the discussions.
Go out and climb! and then come back and post about the climbs!!
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Matt
climber
SF
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Oct 20, 2004 - 11:14pm PT
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sompe people think it's those who post about politics that are clowns, while others might argue it's really those who can clearly identify 'off topic' threads, and yet fail to ignore those threads, and even argue that these topics somehow offend, confuse, distract, or otherwise obstruct them in their search for something to read or post about...
so if this stuff is so problematic for some people, why on earth are their posts so pervasive in the very threads that they constantly complain about?
ironic, in this (hopefully ending) age of the george bushes, that there can be such a dramatic logical disconnection...
EDIT
can someone 'splain to me why they would need their own special 'non-political' section, since the political threads are so easy ti ID from their titles?
you goofballs are all gonna read them and throw your 2 cents in, just like you do now! so what the heck is all the whining really about, anyway? i think it's just the out-numbered republicans getting weary of hearing their head chimp getting ridiculed relentlessly, as he well deserves to be!
=)
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Flash
Ice climber
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Oct 21, 2004 - 12:11am PT
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I agree with Matt's last post.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Marin Hot Tub Country
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Oct 21, 2004 - 01:09am PT
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You agree with Matt?
WTF?
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10b4me
Trad climber
Where Fair Oaks meets Altadena
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Oct 21, 2004 - 01:28am PT
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Chris,
Would it be too big of a hassle to have a climbing section and a seperate everything else section?
Chris, I agree. maybe make a forum for non-climbing topics
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Holdplease2
Trad climber
All over
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Oct 21, 2004 - 03:48am PT
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I have no problem with a little political discourse and tend to learn a bit from it.
However, the current volume is frustrating, particularly when a small portion of the ST community is responsible for most of the post volume. More frustrating than tons of politics on the front page is thread hijacking within climbing posts.
A separate forum will not solve that problem.
As a relatively small community, I think that a little consideration of the wishes of the community as a whole could go a long way...and prevent/eliminate any need/desire for censorship or even change to a multi-forum system.
This multi-forum system would work to the disadvantage of the political zealots, as it would make those of us who they are trying to influence better able to avoiding their writing.
And heck, I like to see a variety of posts on the front page...humor, politics, climbing, banter between friends...if everything but climbing were eliminated it would be, um, dull.
Just my 2 cents.
-Kate.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Marin Hot Tub Country
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Oct 21, 2004 - 09:28am PT
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Holdplease2 wrote:
However, the current volume is frustrating, particularly when a small portion of the ST community is responsible for most of the post volume. More frustrating than tons of politics on the front page is thread hijacking within climbing posts.
Truer words have knott been spoken. It is a very small minority of posters;
one person in particular comes to mind...
I'll leave you folks to hash it out -- I'm going climbing!
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mtndncr
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Oct 21, 2004 - 06:32pm PT
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Chris,
I didn't have time to read all the posts connected to this, but wanted to let you know that you are probably correct that after November 2nd, the political rhetoric will go away.
Here's how it is: this election is the most important event in our life time! I think it is necessary for people to talk about these issues in any forum, especially Supertopos and people who have never voted in there life are voting this year because it's an exceptional year. In some ways, I think you should be proud that it is being talked about on your site. The problem isn't the subject, the problem is the lack of respect and knowledge.
I've dedicated 15 years of my life to non-profit environmental work and this election and it's connection to climbing and the envirionment, is more defined than ever. You have one guy, that a lot of people hate, who has the worst environmental record ever by any President, AND THAT'S FACT! And than his opponent, who has an EXCELLENT Enviro record, gets an A+ rating by the League of Conservation Voters and an endorsement by the Sierra Club. So, I think sensoring is a bad idea, but I also understand the frustration. Personally, I think you should sensor all the idiots and let mature adults talk about climbing and anything and everything related to it!
Cheers,
Bill W.
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TW#T
Gym climber
san diego, ca
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Oct 21, 2004 - 06:57pm PT
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yo bro, great post but censor is spelled with a "c" not sensor like the razor blade.
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David Nelson
climber
San Francisco
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Oct 21, 2004 - 08:48pm PT
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Active censorship will take too much of your precious time, but passive may do the trick. I get tired of reading political BS on the site, I want to read about climbing. I think you could email political posters and ask them to keep it off the site. You do own the site and pay the bills.
However, the site now also "belongs", in one sense, to the community of users. I must admit I am surprised how many people are willing to tolerate the BS even though it gets in the way of real beta. Unfortunately, if a large portion want political BS, it probably belongs. A separate section would be nice but probably not practical: the posters will put it on the climbing part.
The anarchy of the net is its strength and its weakness.
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Flash
Ice climber
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Oct 21, 2004 - 09:07pm PT
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"you are probably correct that after November 2nd, the political rhetoric will go away."
You folks couldn't be more wrong. When Bush wins...the liberals(most everbody on this site) will bitch about everything he does.
"You have one guy, that a lot of people hate, who has the worst environmental record ever by any President, AND THAT'S FACT!"
So how do you determine fact? By the agenda of the envrionmentalist kookburger crowd? Or by sound science combined with the needs of humans? Why the "hate"? The left is supposed to be tolerant and loving and kind, yet I have never seen hate for someone like the left has been spewing at theis fine President.
" Personally, I think you should sensor all the idiots "
And I suppose the "idiots" would be anyone that doesn't agree with your agenda?
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handjamdrum
Trad climber
Madison, WI
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Oct 22, 2004 - 12:03am PT
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just ban all talk regarding anything but climbing. that way you'll have very little at all to monitor, except the quality of the climbing beta, and you, as well as the rest of us, will have more time to devote to climbing. maybe then we'll all try harder on our next climb because of all the pent up angst we feel regarding this deeply divided country we are citizens of...
lead on...
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Michelle
Gym climber
Marklar
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Oct 22, 2004 - 02:56am PT
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Well SuperFuzz, I guess you should ban any conversation about bolts, chopping and anything including "RETRO" in its title, now, shouldn't you? wait, unless you meant censoring only certain kinds of political discussions.
Sorry Minerals, coiler, no more posting for you. TW#T, your self serving, sexist slander totally suits the intimate atmosphere around here and everyone loves Donny/Donnie/Paco/Pete/Jody. That little bit of love between Russ and CF warms my heart like a hot can of OE after a couple of laps at the sporto crag; oh, and how could I forget my all time favorite climbing quote from this site-
"The summer heat has brought out a new and disturbing trend here in the High Desert... and elsewhere I'd assume. I'm talking about young and not so shapely ladies running the mound hugging pants, shortie shirt with a bad slogan on it (like "porn star"), a couple of muddy prison worthy tatoos, and a GIANT AWNING-LIKE BEER GUT hanging out!!! WTF is this trend? Do they get up in the morning and say "man, this will look gooood"?
I'm really feeling the love now. This enhances my climbing experience n^(n+1) [n = or > 1]. nothing personal, but go commando once in a while Chris, it can improve your personal sense of freedom. If you're worried about sales, by all means appease the complainers because the people that steal the books don't f*#king care.
if we didn't have differing opinions, we would all be gym climbers.
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the Fet
Trad climber
Loomis, CA
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Oct 22, 2004 - 10:15am PT
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I like the freedom and variety of this board, I vote keep it as is.
The political posts in climbing threads should just be discouraged by other posters.
Don't waste your time and energy. You've created a fanstastic forum here, that's enough.
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