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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Jul 21, 2007 - 01:30pm PT
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AC maybe they didn't want him to see that the plan is just
1) flee to paraguay
2) count the money
3) watch it burn
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 21, 2007 - 02:53pm PT
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The great U.S. public is easily frightened, and has appallingly short memory.
Bush's strategy is now simply to stall on Iraq, hope that nothing goes badly wrong there or elsewhere before November 2008, hope that he doesn't get impeached, and then blame it all on his successor. The Republican powers have already written off the 2008 presidential election. They want to pin the "cut and run" from Iraq on the next, Democratic, president, and also economic problems as they come home to roost.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Jul 21, 2007 - 02:54pm PT
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Damn AC,
I get the impression that you don't like Bugs, Sylvester or Tweety and the rest. That's sick and un-American AC. Hell, those critters all are more rational and grounded in reality than you or Matt.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Jul 21, 2007 - 07:39pm PT
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AC,
I see your problem now: a couple of little wires crossed in the noggin: not a Rep and do vote.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 21, 2007 - 08:19pm PT
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Woody, you seem to throw out degrading insults to folks when they post assertions that you plainly don't agree with.
Got anything with real merit to post? Perhaps some "facts" or interesting items to counter what has been said here?
How about responding to PMB's claim (that is, in fact, a fact) that the past six years has seen the largest transfer of wealth from public to private. Or the fact that Bush as made it almost impossible to hold him accountable for *anything*.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Jul 21, 2007 - 08:45pm PT
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K man,
The greatest transfer of wealth in the US took place from the end of the Civil War to the turn of the century.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 21, 2007 - 08:55pm PT
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It is stereotypically easy to identify authoritarians who seek restrict civil liberties during war in the name of “national security.” But it is much harder to take on crusading special interest groups, district attorneys, court justices, and liberal Senators who ignore, twist, or subvert our constitutional freedoms under the liberal clarion call of helping minorities, stopping the war, or championing the underclass.
If we are to lose our civil liberties, it won’t be all of sudden due to Patriot-Act zealots in sunglasses and flattops, but rather insidiously and incrementally by egalitarian professors, moral crusaders, muckraking journalists, and government utopians all unhappy that constitutional justice is too little and too late for their ever impatient desire to ensure heaven on earth.
The rest of the article
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson071107.html
Good thing Crawly only posts worthless flights of paranoia in their entirety. If they were worth something or were rational someone might come after him for copyright violations.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Jul 21, 2007 - 10:27pm PT
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Good post Wendell.
Let's see again: Bush is the most incompetent President in US history: he's shallow, inattentive and ,in general,not too bright. Okay, I'll go along with some of that. Now this incompetent bumbler who has a hard time figuring out what's going on is going to take over the US in some sort of military coup. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! If I had to choose between the likes of Matt and AC or Bush to run things, I'd take Bush and hope for the best.
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paganmonkeyboy
Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
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Jul 22, 2007 - 12:24am PT
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"K man,
The greatest transfer of wealth in the US took place from the end of the Civil War to the turn of the century."
hmmm..i was making that point, but you usually ignore me these days so i won't take it personally.
good luck with the stones though.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Jul 22, 2007 - 12:48am PT
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You've got to understand that some of the panicy guys on this thread ignore anything that conflicts with their fantasies.
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tooth
Mountain climber
B.C.
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Jul 22, 2007 - 09:56pm PT
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"teaching bomb making"
At least they aren't bombing/shelling/occupying-the-country-of anyone else.
Bush considers himself the 'religious' decider. I have heard him say more than once that he prays and does what God tells him.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 22, 2007 - 10:35pm PT
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Bush knows he doesn't have the power to become dictator and the military won't let him nuke Iran either.
He's just laying the exec privilege groundwork to keep his crimes secret or at least safe from sending him to prison. The wimps in congress will make a deal to let him go quietly as long as he doesn't do anything stupid.
That's the best case scenario
Peace
Karl
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 23, 2007 - 01:31am PT
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"Karl, have you read any of the PNAC documents? These guys are serious in the worst wacko kinda way."
Those guys just got voted out of Congress.
Next year they're liable to be voted out of The White House.
Y'all are scared of nothing.
You guys must be a goddamn nightmare to climb with, seeing how y'all are scared of nothing.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jul 23, 2007 - 02:03am PT
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Fatty, you are totally right--it's the religious leaders that are the problem.
Theirs and OURS !
Dang, you catch on fast.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 23, 2007 - 03:12am PT
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"I give your scenario maybe a 60% chance and mine 40%. There are plenty of ways to achieve a dictatorship without actually calling it that. "
I'd give mine 45%, yours 25%, and something else 30%. that's bad enough. Bush is a criminal and Cheney more so.
What's with this executive order signed on the 17th?
"By executive order, the Secretary of the Treasury may now seize the property of any person who undermines efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq. The Secretary may make his determination in secret and after the fact... What's it say, you ask? The White House will decide if you are in any way "undermining efforts" in Iraq, or related to Iraq or pretty much anything else, the Treasury Department is authorized to seize your money, property, stocks, etc."
Why do the people stand for this crap. Especially small government conservatives
Here's the white house news release. They covered up the evil in lawyer talk
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html
Peace
karl
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Degaine
climber
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Jul 24, 2007 - 04:52am PT
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Karl wrote :
” Why do the people stand for this crap. Especially small government conservatives “
Small government conservatives are imaginary – just like the easter bunny, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy, they don’t exist.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 24, 2007 - 09:17am PT
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"Karl wrote :
” Why do the people stand for this crap. Especially small government conservatives “
Small government conservatives are imaginary – just like the easter bunny, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy, they don’t exist. "
Oh,oh, it's a good thing I got this news so far from Easter and Christmas. (and hoping not to put the tooth fairy to the test either)
I think there are some small government conservatives, but they're never in government! (and when tested, it's more like 'please don't tax me, let's borrow money for a big military but nothing for the poor' conservatives)
Peace
Karl
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