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jstan
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May 15, 2007 - 08:34pm PT
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As I understand it waste containers act mainly as trash magnets. People dump their household garbage there rather than take it someplace more appropriate. Also lots of thrown stuff does not hit the mark.
I was drinking from the pipe in the Gunks once when a notable person walked up and tried the water. Said, "Not bad. Now we just need to add some contraceptive."
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dipper
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May 15, 2007 - 08:54pm PT
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We are being sold our water at outrageous prices, after it is put into plastic bottles which usually end up as garbage in the stream, shore, etc.
have a read:
http://www.mccloudwatershedcouncil.org/nestle/index.html
I just spent 10 days on the Little Colorado River near the confluence with the Colorado River. The LCR is littered with plastic water bottles, plastic 1 quart oil containers, plastic 1 gallon anti-freeze containers, styrofoam and small propane containers.
Mind you, it is located in the middle of the Navajo Reservation whose inhabitants are as poor as dirt.
Just say NO to bottled water unless it is an emergency.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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May 15, 2007 - 09:10pm PT
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Bottled water is on the shopping list about four bullets below aliens.
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wiclimber
Trad climber
devil's lake, wi
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May 15, 2007 - 09:13pm PT
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same here. what waste.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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May 15, 2007 - 09:37pm PT
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Oh yeah - bottled water can have fluoride in it and they don't have to list it as an ingredient ( it's not recognized by the FDA as anything nutritive - although it is illegal to have more than 1 mg. of fluoride in your possession - cuz it's very poisonous!).
If you call any company and ask if there is fluoride in their bottled water, they do have to tell you (some people are fluoride sensitive and/or have fluorosis).
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climbrunride
Trad climber
Durango, CO
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May 15, 2007 - 10:08pm PT
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"Mind you, it is located in the middle of the Navajo Reservation whose inhabitants are as poor as dirt.
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That's surely not a valid excuse. Aren't we supposed to believe that Indians are above us all? That they live in harmony with the earth, sustainable, and all that. (Just ignore the oil and gas mining and those two giant, new coal-fired power plants the Navajos are building.)
Disgusting
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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May 15, 2007 - 10:14pm PT
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One possibility to get people to stop crapping at turnouts would be to post a little sign at every turnout telling them where the next real bathroom is.
It's a similar problem to braided climber trails. If people aren't clearly directed where to go, they go wherever they want.
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adam d
climber
CA
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May 15, 2007 - 10:17pm PT
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Ditto on drinking the Gunks spring water at the trapps, and the "secret" spring out on the road near the Split Rock swimming hole.
In the 'daks I always loved the King Philip Spring...right after you got off the Northway and onto Rt 73, flows all winter. Observing ritzy Lake Placid matrons exit their BMW's and fill jugs from an algae covered roadside pipe adds to the appeal too.
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Ouch!
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May 15, 2007 - 10:53pm PT
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I made it a habit long ago to only drink from a spring at it's source whenever possible. Of course in a pinch, it's OK to drink out of cow tracks if the color is right.
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Gene
climber
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May 15, 2007 - 11:24pm PT
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Leave Fern Spring alone. Thank you.
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dipper
climber
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May 15, 2007 - 11:52pm PT
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I only point out that the natives are poor as dirt because, I have observed, that when people are really, really poor, issues such as litter are eclipsed by:
1 food and its acquisition
2 drug and alcohol dependence to numb oneself
mental health issues related to a lack of #1 and an abundance of #2
Bottom Line, keep the water we have clean so we can drink it out of the tap/source.
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Landgolier
climber
the flatness
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May 16, 2007 - 01:10am PT
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I hate bottled water, but the water really sucks where I live. I never would have gotten one on my own, but the place we moved into has one of those little taps hooked up to a filter, and it's awesome, I'm never living without one again. Tastes way better than bottled crap, and you can use it for things that would be cost prohibitive with bottled water (pasta, etc...). The filters aren't expensive, and while they recommend changing twice a year if you read the fine print they're actually good for 600 gal, which for two people is more like a year and a half.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Don't buy it bottled bump.
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Forest
Trad climber
Lafayette, CO
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The tap water in Denver / Boulder is fantastic.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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So how are you sposed to take yer water up the wall?
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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re-usable bladders (not yer own)?
I think perhaps a bigwallers exception could be made.
I once knew a guy that worked in the backcountry but was so petrified of all the plastic options and untrusting of the metal ones that he used one gallon GLASS apple juice jugs. What a mess.
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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You don't need to buy any bottled water for a big wall.
Go to the store and buy a 2 liter plastic bottle for about 99 cents. As a bonus it comes filled with tasty fizzy stuff! After you drink all the contents, simply rinse and fill with tap water. I actually brought an unopened bottle of Sprite up a big wall once- a few sips here and there for the next 3 days was quite refreshing!
Or if you are really cheap (like me), just grab a few empties from the next picnic or bday party.
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scooter
climber
fist clamp
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What type of water do you drink when you fly to India to take pictures of poor people?
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