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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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"This is bullshit!!!"
Then eat up dumbass.
Can't wait to hear a "TR" from you when you get your ass beat by a cop when you are doing nothing wrong and are "trying to comply" with orders.
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John Moosie
climber
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"Just cops trying to do there job and people to stupid to get the hell out of the way.. "
I wish that were true. For the most part it probably is true but how about reading Flourides account. By the time the order came down to move the antaganists had already left. Plus it appears that the order to disperse was not widely broadcast. How do you explain Flourides account of the old man?
Riley, I am all for protecting the police as best we can, but I also know that they can get out of hand.
I have a friend who was arrested for drug possesion because he was dating a cops former girlfriend. He wasn't a drug user. The drugs were planted during a traffic stop. The case was eventually dropped because the search was shown to be illegal.
There are many many instances of cops behaving outside the law as there are many many instances of them being standup people. Should we look the other way when cops abuse the law? Perhaps sometimes but definitely not all of the time.
I am not a cop hater. I have a friend who is a deputy sheriff. I am friends with some of the rangers here in Wawona. Right now things are pretty good in the park.
The new head rangers has turned things around. Just a few years ago there were over 900 arrests a years of park employees. Since this new guy came arrest have dropped to somewhere around 200. I have to laugh because he tried to intimate that this was because he worked with Delaware North to do more background checks and this is in part true, but what is also true is that he told the rangers to back off. To try and work things out instead of being antagonistic towards concession employees. From what I hear this is helping but there are still rangers here who like to harass people. They look for the smallest infraction to then try and escalate things. I was stopped for going 2 miles over the speed limit coming down the hill from the south gate into Wawona. I had just been grocery shopping with a friend and when he looked in my car he saw on unopen case of beer. He tried to use this to search my car. I refused him permission. This put me on his sh#t list. Then the judge in the valley threw out my ticket when I challenged it. Just because this ranger had a bad attitude.
So don't expect me to give the police a free ride. Yes they have a tough job. I think they should be payed more. but I will not give them a free ride when they get out of hand. I also wont look for every infraction they do just to get them. This is the kind of balance I prefer in life.
John
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WBraun
climber
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OK Riley
We'll get you nice big steel toed boot for your ass kicking excursions.
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John Moosie
climber
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The problem is that it looks like they kicked the wrong ass. Perhaps the person who ordered them forward wasn't there and so couldn't back them off.
I do understand where you are coming from. I get frustrated also. Mostly with the greed of people. Sometimes I too just want to kick some butt. Thats why my nickname is moosie. Most of the time I am placid and kind, but a few times I have gone on a rampage. opps. I am learning though. Its been a few years since I did a really good rampage. The burn and pillage kind.
No worries from me Riley. I know that you have a stressful job. I am grateful that there are people like you who are willing to do it. I have been to the emergency room a few times. Three times with blood clots, one of them the tech said mine was the biggest clot in a persons lung that he had ever seen. That one nearly killed me. So thanks for being there. I want to do something for the people at the emergency room. Its been a few years as I was in no shape when I left the hospital to go and thank anyone. Do you have any suggestions on what they might appreciate? Would a pizza delivery be welcome? Its a big hospital in Fresno and I have no idea how many people work the night shift. Thats when I arrived the last time. I could find out though.
John
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2007 - 01:17am PT
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"And you can bet in this case the Cops were provoked also by as#@&%es who deserved an ass kicking..."
Everyone agrees that there were anarchists baiting the police. But the police took out their anger on innocent men, women and children.
There is video of the police beating a boy with their batons. He looks to be about 12 years old. He is obviously terrified and afraid to move and lies prone as they repeatedly hit him hard. It is sickening to watch. One of the policeman finally realizes he is frozen and terror and pulls him to his feet and pushes him forward.
Classic "kick the dog" syndrome.
How is this different from some idiot having a bad day at work and coming home and beating his wife or gf? How can you defend this kind of behaviour?
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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how is it different? well, when I have a bad day at work, I go home a little grumpy.
But a bad day at work for me doesn't mean getting hit in the head with a rock or a bottle.
But that seems to be the game with protests these days. They don't stay on message, for whatever reason. Wasn't there something a couple years ago where the event organizers actually hired people to film and maybe keep an eye on things? The crowd should have helped do something about these wily anarchists!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2007 - 01:47am PT
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It is the job of the police to protect us and our children. It is not their job to become something we need to protect our children against. There is something wrong when you see a crowd of police (all large adult men) repeatedly clubbing a 12-year old boy lying on the ground afraid to move.
Your attitude is to blame the victim, or the victim's parents, or anyone except the abuser. Offensive as I may find it, you are entitled to your opinion.
Edit: Thank you for editing your post to make it much less offensive. I have deleted the quote of the original message.
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nita
climber
chico ca
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The Police are only human...sometimes they do a good job and sometimes they blow-it...... Personally, I have had- more bad experences- than good.
Edit:I should start a thread...Have you been wrongfully accused?
Four Dead in Ohio...........
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2007 - 03:46am PT
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Agreed. I deleted the post you found objectionable. I meant what I said, and still do, but I can see how it may have come across as flippant and condescending.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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"The correct response is really quite simple."
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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"When a police picket line is moving in your direction, drop everything and run the opposite direction. The correct response is really quite simple. "
Wrong, it is never simple unless you are a thug.
If you are not doing anything illegal, get out of the way and observe what is going on.
If the police are f*#king up, you will be there to bear witness.
If the public is f*#king up you will be there to bear witness.
In a situation like that accountability needs to be leveled so that the people who are "doing things right" are protected and the ones "doing things wrong" are held to account for their actions wheter they are "public" or police.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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"Your advice will get people hurt, please delete your post. "
Why fatty?
If I'm or anyone else is "out of the way" and can observe what is going on how am I or anyone else going to get hurt?
Will the police see me observing the situation and then come after me? That is the only way I or anyone else could get hurt by/from the situation if I/we are out of the way.
Maybe I need to get in touch with the LASD and check up on you like I did with AIPAC.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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"If they are moving your direction a person should go the opposite way. If someone is standing behind the picket line then they should stay put and observe."
Exactly what I said.
Get out of the way and observe.
Who ever is being the numb-nut needs to be held to account so that the rule of law and not men his upheld.
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WBraun
climber
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You wanna really have some fun, when they come, pick up a stick and challenge them.
Then run like you've never before .....
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Hootervillian
climber
the Hooterville World-Guardian
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here's to talking points, talking heads, and talking tools.
i still woulda liked to have seen that skirmish line clear Las Vegas Blvd. of anarchists last saturday night.
best part about the anarchist talking point provided, you get to backfill just whom the anarchists were, without actually seeing sh#t.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Anarchists are cool.
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