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John Moosie

climber

Mar 14, 2007 - 03:05pm PT

Lois,

Your belief that no one could know how things would be different because there is no imperical evidence is patently absurd. This is the same logic that caused you to refuse to believe that many of us here predicted the mess that the war in Iraq would lead to. You refuse to believe that many here are more aware then you. I find it sad that you weren't even aware that George Bush senior even predicted the mess. That is why he stopped where he did in the first war with Iraq.

Lois, the signs are there, you need to stop getting your news from Fox.

With Gore, we wouldn't be in Iraq. We would have concentrated on a more worldwide effort to stop terrorism. Iraq is strictly a neocon idea and Gore is not a neocon.

wootles

climber

Gamma Quadrant

Mar 14, 2007 - 03:12pm PT

LEB,

Couple o' things:

Why would Kerry have not been the 'right man for the job'? Actually I don't want you to answer that... actually I don't want to read your answer. I guess I just want you to think about it.

You need to check your 'welfare queen' statistics. It's easy to make negative generalizations about welfare recipients because they don't (can't fight back). If you look into it you will find that welfare cheats are rare. Of course everyone can cite an example or two but as a whole it is not the rampant problem people think it is. Personally I think it hits a nerve with people because no one likes the thought of someone else is getting a free ride.

edit: WOW posts piled up fast and I fell behind.

addendum:
Well, we can all speculate until the cows come home, but the truth of the matter is that we just can't ever know for sure what would have happened. I wish there was a time machine wherein we could go back and try it both ways but alas there is none.
This is why stupid people shouldn't vote.

climber

The City of Lost Angels

Mar 14, 2007 - 03:12pm PT

LEB--In a recent post you uniquivocally stated that there are certain topics you simply cannot bring up at the dinner table (or elsewhere I would suspect) without your husband going ballistic and, in essence, telling you to STFU. I believe you said you don't even broach those subjects.

That did not sound like the holly jolly open-debate approach of your above post. It sounded more like s-u-p-p-r-e-s-s-i-o-n. And the fact that he can "always talk you around to his way of thinking" is called something else...kidnappers do it to their victims.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, Ca.

Mar 14, 2007 - 03:13pm PT

A.C., other conservatives I tend to agree with; Tom Tancredo, Fred Thompson (pres. candidate?), Senator Inhofe of Ok., Michael Savage, Rep. Duncan Hunter, big Tom McClintock fan, Dick Morris, and more..

Neo-cons I don't like; Bush, Sen. Arlen Specter, Rush, Hannity, Newt, and others

Dems I like...Joe Lieberman, but he bailed.

climber

The City of Lost Angels

Mar 14, 2007 - 03:17pm PT

AC--Motel room. With his friend Dick.

John Moosie

climber

Mar 14, 2007 - 03:22pm PT

Lois,

You are heading toward a schism in your psyche. You write,

" As for my husband, he and I basically agree"

Then you write,

"In fact, he and I disagree about a lot of things"

Which is it Lois? Lois, I think you have a dichotomy in your belief system. You are attacted to power and money yet you see the need to help those with less then you. The best way to resolve this is to see that one doesn't have to make themselves poor financially when they help the poor. There is a balance.

And wootles is right about the welfare thing. The numbers are incredibly small. In fact, the entire welfare program makes up less then 3 percent of social security. So even if everyone on welfare were a fraud, and they are not, the numbers show something like less then 5 percent of those on welfare might be frauds, but even if the entire program was full of frauds, then this would account for less then 1 percent of our entire budget. Yet Republicans go on and on about how the welfare program is bankrupting our country. That is just so sad.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, Ca.

Mar 14, 2007 - 03:25pm PT

I agree with his positions almost entirely, he's running for pres, huh? I'd give 'em my vote. Better than McCain, Newt, Hitlery, Barrack, or Rudy.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Mar 14, 2007 - 03:41pm PT

re-posting my own comments from earlier:
(lois wrote)
"It is quite another to be profane and vulgar to anyone else who questions one of his views"

links?
offering anything to support that claim?
hmmm, i don't remember ever calling you a stupid bitch or anything of the sort, what do you consider vulgar?

regarding the above statement, i hereby challenge you to support that claim.

can't find any examples?
didn't think so.

getting all longwinded and conversationally cozy aren't-chya?
where's the back up for that statement?

apparently you are republican enough to just make up crap about people and pretend it's true? not surprised at all.

John Moosie

climber

Mar 14, 2007 - 03:43pm PT

Another thing that constantly amazes me is the number of Republicans that I run into that are worried about protecting the wealthy. Ooh ooh, those poor poor weatlhy people. We need to do more to protect them. Good grief. It has been shown that 500 families own half of the worlds wealth, but we are worried they might get hurt.

When I ask these Republicans how much they make a year, they are consistently in the middleclass. But they have illusions of being wealthy. One guy was making 45,000 dollars a year and he was worried about the highest tax bracket. Another was admittedly making over 200,000 a year, but even he was ignorant of how the tax cut has actually cost him more through higher fees.

Lois, the Democrats have woken up. We understand that the old usery rates of 90% taxes on the wealthy is wrong. We also see that protecting the middleclass is one of the most important issues for helping this country remain strong. What we don't go for is using war as a means to solve most problems, especially when the underlying reason for going to war is either imperialism or as a means to boost the economy by big government spending. These are the primary reasons we are in Iraq. Not because going there would protect us from terrorism. Countless experts are telling us that the war in Iraq is actually creating a breeding ground for more anger. This anger will eventually hurt us.

edit: and while the economy might be going up, the downside is the increased debt.

dirtbag

climber

Mar 14, 2007 - 04:23pm PT

"How utterly tragic when the only identifiable conservative one can point to is Pat Buchanon. "

Yes, other me, and I'm finding that I agree with Mr. Buchanon, the other white Pat, far more often than so-called conservatives in the Elephant Party. I have to give Pat credit for consistently being highly critical of the War in Iraq.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Mar 14, 2007 - 04:23pm PT

"You have called me a lot worse than a "stupid bitch.""
links please

btw- idiot by itself is not at all vulgar, and i would argue that f*#king idiot is more rude than vulgar, but your statement that i have repeatedly called you that (or anything else "vulgar") has been challenged, and you will need to back it up-

should be easy enough for you to search the forum-
or does someone need to explain to you how to do that?

climber

The City of Lost Angels

Mar 14, 2007 - 04:30pm PT

"You are all hot-headed."--LEB

What is it, Lois: Menopause? Too many drugs in your youth? Genetic predisposition? Your memory is virtually nonexistant, which makes most of your posts seem so vacuous.

One minute you write that you don't dare bring up certain subjects around your husband, the next you're saying you can and do argue with him about anything and everything.

With JDF's panic attack thread, we established that I am not one of the guys. Crowley has told you his age at least twice that I've personally seen, and still you continue to ask him his age. He's also told you he's not an attorney, yet you continue to drivel on about him being an attorney.

I could bring up many other instances of contradiction...but you surely wouldn't remember them, so I won't bother. I just find the whole dementia thing rather interesting...particularly when you're trying to prove a point.

Matt

Trad climber

places you shouldn't talk about in polite company

Mar 14, 2007 - 04:36pm PT

or else you didn't make much of an impression on me (and still don't)"

pot meet kettle

(btw- i am putting the earplugs back in, but it certainly seems like the concencus about these parts agrees w/ me, no? cheers)

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, Ca.

Mar 14, 2007 - 04:38pm PT

Geez, what's up with the personal attacks against Lois. She's being honest with you guys, from what I can tell, and you guys are harrassing her for it. Wasn't this a Fatty-bashing thread?

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, Ca.

Mar 14, 2007 - 04:38pm PT

Consensus, no, Matt.

climber

The City of Lost Angels

Mar 14, 2007 - 04:48pm PT

"I guess it must be that I am just vacuous, as you suggested.....or else you didn't make much of an impression on me (and still don't)"--LEB

Wow! If that's supposed to be an insult, Lois, you really missed your mark. To not make an impression on someone who vacillates so consistantly from one side of the fence to the other is a compliment!

I truly wasn't trying to insult you--just clarify/understand why you were not retaining information and then building your posts around those absent memories.

climber

The City of Lost Angels

Mar 14, 2007 - 04:56pm PT

LEB--Denial...it's not just a river in Egypt, is it?

dirtbag

climber

Mar 14, 2007 - 05:00pm PT

"Geez, what's up with the personal attacks against Lois. She's being honest with you guys, from what I can tell, and you guys are harrassing her for it. Wasn't this a Fatty-bashing thread? "

You're right--F*#K that FATTRAD DUDE!