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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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May 24, 2019 - 08:01pm PT
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A Norwegian just played his saxophone on the summit of Everest. It made me think of John Bachar. His group went up the Tibetan north side which is always less crowded.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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May 24, 2019 - 08:29pm PT
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Jan! I'm slightly sorry for stealing your quote on this thread, but I wanted to add to it.
The average altitude at which people's thinking gets screwy, with and without oxygen, would be yet another interesting thing to study
For some of the poesters on this thread, that altitude appears to be sea-level.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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May 24, 2019 - 11:18pm PT
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16,500 feet, on my two feet
-35 degrees F
Strongest wind was on the Palisade Glacier in winter - gusts lifted me off my feet and blew me back a few feet. That's something like 100 mph winds.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 25, 2019 - 01:01am PT
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I've always considered it high altitude tourism as opposed to alpinism once it was done unaided, without fixed lines or supplemental oxygen; how many people would be in that picture under that criteria?
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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May 25, 2019 - 06:34am PT
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TWP you are exactly right. What a horrible freak show. Only reason to climb this is for bragging rights. Hopefully the reality shown in the photos will make the bragging less effective. The Indian media refer to them as trekkers.
Seems like one part of the problem is the two way traffic on the ridge. Too bad there is nowhere to put a rap route to descend another way.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 25, 2019 - 07:05am PT
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It’s a great source of income for the local people, perhaps that is why the government doesn’t do a better job of regulating the number of people. Nepal is one of the world’s poorest countries.
Peak bagging to an extreme degree. The pinnacle of bucket list items. I get a kick out of seeing those privileged people clustered along that ridge like sheep going to their slaughter.
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Stewart Johnson
Gym climber
top lake
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May 25, 2019 - 07:17am PT
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Yes like lemmings Jim
I feel privileged having gone to
Everest before the tour operators
On the East face(Neverest buttress)I didn’t see anybody
Besides my three teammates!
Sorry no photo
I’ve cleaned house
Pretty much done here
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WBraun
climber
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May 25, 2019 - 07:49am PT
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You evil supertopo people saying mean things about those poor people climbing that Everest mountain.
I called the president of Nepal and he said he talked to TRump and they are shutting down this evil slanderous forum on June first because of you evil mean people ......
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TwistedCrank
climber
Released into general population, Idaho
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May 25, 2019 - 07:51am PT
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Give them oxygen and they’ll be peaceful as Hindu cows.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 25, 2019 - 08:19am PT
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Yeah all those people taking a 1-2% chance of death are just doing it for bragging rights. They are being carried to the summit. And oxygen completely negates the risk of dying from altitude sickness. I bet you could sneak in without paying for a permit and just make a bunch of trips carrying all your gear in. Everyone should be able to do what professional mountaineers do even if they have other interests, jobs, and families. It’s not not what I want to do so they are lame for doing it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 25, 2019 - 08:49am PT
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The whole clown show reminds me of the scene in “In Bruges” where Colin Farrell is being ‘chased’ by the fat American:
“Give it a rest, fatty!”
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Michael Browder
Mountain climber
Chamonix, France (Oregon originally)
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May 25, 2019 - 03:06pm PT
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It gets tiresome to listen to people on Supertopo over the years spout off about something they know absolutely nothing about.
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2019 - 04:26pm PT
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It is absolutely tiresome over the years to read posters complain about the supposed ignorance of ST posters ... when those complainers know nothing about either the poster's experience OR the subject matter in question.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 25, 2019 - 04:30pm PT
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It gets tiresome to listen to people on Supertopo over the years spout off about something they know absolutely nothing about.
Like we haven’t stood in line at the mall? 🙄
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 25, 2019 - 04:39pm PT
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ST has been tiresome for me when people pontificate ad nauseam about politics and religion. There is, however, a pretty decent accumulation of climbing knowledge and experience although much of it is now delivered from the rocking chair. The saving grace that’s kept me here.
The pic of the clusterf*#k on Everest needs no special knowledge for the viewer to rightly discern something is amiss.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 25, 2019 - 04:56pm PT
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The picture of that line on Everest makes me feel almost the same way as seeing the lines on the Half Dome cables.
A. I have no desire to get stuck in that clusterf*#k.
B. Even though it’s not my cup of tea, I’m not going to be all righteous and claim those people are lame because their dreams and goals are not mine
C. Something is amiss. Like Half Dome in a thunderstorm but much worse. People are dying because they can’t get down in time. They are issuing too many permits and/or people are choosing to go up in an extra dangerous situation because they’ve spent so more effort, time and money they get summit fever. Half dome is less crowded now. But I’ve heard it’s just as risky because it’s so hard to get permits people don’t back down when they should because they’re afraid they won’t get permits again.
D. That’s the way you want to go? Really? Seems like the Tibet side would be worth the extra effort for reduced crowds. Like I’d rather wait until I can climb snake dike or RRNWFHD. And I know it’s not realistic but as a rock climber I see all that exposed rock and think there’s gotta be an alternate route to avoid the traffic.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 25, 2019 - 05:07pm PT
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Ahhh...the cables, good analogy. A lot of people feel the cables are justified because of their “historical” precedence. I say hogwash...if that’s the case let’s bring back the firefall and feeding grizzlies in Yellowstone.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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May 25, 2019 - 06:44pm PT
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"Extrapolating the numbers used in the study, an analysis done by the BBC estimates older climbers (doing Everest) have a 25% risk of dying, while young climbers have only a 2.2% risk of death. And the most dangerous aspect of climbing Mount Everest is not trying to reach the summit — it is trying to get back down."
So the BBC team says it is quite a risk to climb Everest if you are an older climber, but they don't define precisely what is "old."
It is interesting how even in non-alpine climbing, many good climbers have died descending.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 25, 2019 - 07:27pm PT
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I never shake hands until I am DOWN. Too many climbers let their guard down once they summit.
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