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Avery
climber
New Zealand
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Apr 14, 2019 - 10:34pm PT
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My threads are based around photos.
Nine times out ten I've had the personal permission of the original photographer to post their pics.
The bottom line appears to be ownership of the photo rights.
It would be a real shame if I had to delete them. I would, once again, be vilified for doing so.
What do you think?
PS: HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT CONTACTING CHRIS MAC?
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Gnaw Mean
Trad climber
Manzaneeter
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Apr 14, 2019 - 10:51pm PT
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I’ll see you that, and raise you:
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Gnaw Mean
Trad climber
Manzaneeter
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Apr 14, 2019 - 10:56pm PT
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Gnaw Mean
Trad climber
Manzaneeter
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Apr 14, 2019 - 11:02pm PT
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, Bozeman, the ocean, or ?
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Apr 14, 2019 - 11:39pm PT
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Good bye my Tongan Olympian. Sigh
Susan
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 14, 2019 - 11:40pm PT
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Apr 14, 2019 - 10:31pm PT
He said you can't do that
CMac didn't say you couldn't hot link.
He said you couldn't upload pics to your account that wasn't yours.
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They have removed the ability to actually embed the image on ST
YOU must leave the ST page to see the image
But right
Mr. Mac did not say anything about hot linking
It was Herr Braun who brought it up
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Apr 15, 2019 - 12:46am PT
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follow the money Probably Free Solo (Jimmy Chin et al) that threatened the OP.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 15, 2019 - 03:39am PT
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whats so hard about not stealing peoples work...
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Apr 15, 2019 - 04:42am PT
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From past experience, I think CMac made the post and is unlikely to check back in on the thread, so for those thinking they'll get a response....
I also don't doubt the actions taken were done because of memes or public domain images(and no, just because a picture is "on the web without a copyright mark" it's not public domain).
I think Donald Trump got his cheeks aflame in the political threads and threatened to sue CMac. He siced Giuliani on Chris and as we all know, that man's threat has teeth!
But seriously, I do think someone probably had a lawyer get involved. Who, over what - no idea. And now this is what we have....
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Apr 15, 2019 - 06:02am PT
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I deleted 7 questionable photos of 237.
Hopefully I am now in compliance.
I think I am OK.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Apr 15, 2019 - 06:46am PT
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The meme boys are not going to like this.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:07am PT
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Here is a partial list of my climbing trip reports with my own photos that were just destroyed:
A few of these threads for old classic routes have interactions with a member of the first ascent party.
Actually, is that screenshot legal? I don’t own the css or layout of supertopo pages, but I did generate the content of each trip report title and thumbnail image and I did capture the screenshot that generated this image....
Probably 10,000+ or 20,000+ views across the reports. Where is the line between potential lawsuit and lost potential ad revenue? Probably more than 20,000 page views required to justify a single lawsuit risk. Sad sad world.
Well, the host has stopped the music and turned on the lights. Will people stay and party anyways or move on? Time will tell.
In any case this DEFINITELY belongs on the first world problems thread.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:21am PT
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What NutAgain said.
I followed all the rules here: posted only my own photos, kept the political posting to a low roar, and was respectful of others (mostly).
And all my photos are gone? All my trip reports are useless?
The words "orgy of self destruction" come to mind.
I just took Supertopo off my first page "favorites."
I think I'll leave to climb with my older daughter in Joshua Tree for a week (she actually asked me to join her!!).
Will Supertopo still exist when I get back? Will some shell of the site be surrounded by wreckage? Will I ever post again?
All the world awaits the news....
(Lots of you I'll miss here, see you on another, similar site?)
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:26am PT
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Where is the line between potential lawsuit and lost potential ad revenue? Probably more than 20,000 page views required to justify a single lawsuit risk.
so the images you don't own were being used to generated revenue on a site you don't have a financial interest in?
copyright is just that, defining the right to copy an image, and the image is property with a well determined owner who has the right to use it for financial gain (or anything else). The whole point is that the value of the image should result in gain to the owner.
I've had photographers ask me to remove images I had "hot linked" from their web sites, or scanned from old magazines, and I've complied. I don't see any problem with that... but at the same time, I shouldn't use images without permission, many photographers don't look at my posts here.
Being reminded isn't so bad, and having the offending images removed complies with the law.
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:35am PT
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Should we discover copyright infringing photos on your account, all your photos will be deleted and wiped from the server as a protective measure, and your account may be de-activated.
I realize that Chris McNamara will probably not read this, and I say it as a non-climber. While it is his site and he can do what he pleases, this seems unnecessarily harsh.
(1) People's posts and trip reports each form a whole; to remove and destroy all their past photos because SuperTopo judges that one or two of them violate copyright law is unnecessary and draconian. While it may technically be within your rights, to remove their material without warning harms members and may in some cases affect their livelihood. If a lawyer told you to do that, that lawyer may be dangerously short-sighted.
(2) SuperTopo is a community. To deactivate an otherwise blameless member's account because because of activity that occurred long before this rule was made is unfair and tears at the fabric of this community. Many members have been removed by death; please do not contribute to further separation and trauma by removing people for copyright violations.
(3) SuperTopo should clarify how this relates to the "fair use" doctrine mentioned by others in this thread. The fair use doctrine permits certain uses of copyrighted material without first having to obtain permission. These seem to be precisely the kind of use that usually has occurred on SuperTopo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
I'm guessing that someone complained to SuperTopo about a particular photo or photos. I understand that SuperTopo may not be able to check each photo for fair use. Nonetheless, because this doctrine means that the vast majority of photos on the site are okay, I think SuperTopo should stop deleting photos and members based on past posts. People with power should not just listen to their lawyers, but also to their hearts.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:53am PT
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Here is a partial list of my climbing trip reports with my own photos that were just destroyed:
Yup no more trip reports.
So how does one prove that a picture they post is theirs?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 15, 2019 - 08:10am PT
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But, Sewelly, what about the chillen? The lawyers’ chillen that is.
Page 2:
The Ebola epidemic in the Congo is threatening to leap borders.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 15, 2019 - 08:12am PT
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I have 1400 images to go through, the vast majority are my own photos... but I have linked photos from other sites, and scanned old magazines...
hopefully you all have downloaded the posts and threads you feel are important to you, it seems a big change is coming.
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Apr 15, 2019 - 08:14am PT
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For those who have lost recent trip reports and images and can't easily retrieve them, might they still be in Google's cache? Older images and trip reports might be in the Internet Way Back machine if it happened to scan the page.
I agree with Ed that it makes sense to keep a backup copy of everything one puts on the Internet.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 15, 2019 - 08:22am PT
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I've uploaded several peoples photos in the long past because they did not know how to post photos and asked me to uploaded them for them.
This recent event is unbelievably draconian.
Now that's a tame statement by my standards :-).
I would rather say what I really think.
The words would not be pretty ...... :-)
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