Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
|
Jan 24, 2019 - 09:29pm PT
|
Well, no-one is talking about 'sanctuary cities' right now. Assuming Trump backs down from his wall, this whole shitshow has at least raised the issue of immigration in the public's mind, and both sides are going to have a hard time avoiding it (like they've been doing for years and years). For the conservative Right, it's been a longtime burning issue, but the GOP politicians have known it's political suicide to approach it, so they've done nothing more than bluster about it.
This time, though, may be different. I don't think Pelosi will get away with simply saying no to his wall, and then letting the whole issue fade back. It's too hot of an issue now, and it's due to get some attention.
Edit:
And in fact, Pelosi has stood by 1.3 B for his wall from the start. Schumer at one point bumped up to 1.7, but then he quietly backed down to 1.3.
|
|
Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
|
|
|
Jan 24, 2019 - 10:16pm PT
|
I wonder if the Democrats are taking the long view here.
The timeline runs like this, Democrats encourage and champion allowing migrants from Latin countries into the US pretty much unfettered. These migrants settle as immigrants have historically done, and once comfortable, have children. Those children are now legitimate US Citizens by right of birth.
Eighteen years later, this wave of new first generation Voters remember how the Democrats gave sanctuary to their parents and they vote straight Democrat from then on.
Nancy and Chuck have a 20 year plan.
|
|
Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
|
|
|
Jan 24, 2019 - 10:21pm PT
|
Ricky, that plan has worked to perfection in Cali since 1958,
hence we have the highest poverty rate in the nation.
Practice makes perfect.
|
|
healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 01:28am PT
|
Trump et al made the wall a defining symbol of his presidency and their platform (such that it is), as such, my express hope is Dems hold tough and it never gets built. And I'm pretty sure that's Pelosi and Schumer's game - humiliation over the most visible symbol his delusional supporters cling on to. Crumble the wall and his supporters will scatter in disillusionment by 2020.
|
|
Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 01:54am PT
|
hence we have the highest poverty rate in the nation.
Don’t take credit for something you haven’t earned. California is merely in the middle of the pack.
|
|
Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 06:38am PT
|
Dang! I got scooped on my scoop!
I was going to post(and still will) "And the winner of The Mueller Early bird Wake Up Award goes to....."
Guess he's busy about now, preparing his acceptance speech.
|
|
little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 06:49am PT
|
just waiting for that terrorist attack that's going to slip in through the cracks, then the REAL blame game is going to start
|
|
Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 06:54am PT
|
Well, that is just to weird,
I seem to be having my garbled rambling turned into a foreign language as if that might help decipher what I'm saying? or for no reason?
all this seems absurd, as does a treasonous baby ruining freedom & democracy.
If the weakling paid off by the NRA had stood strong Or would have him removed for cause
by the Seargent of arms, we would have to watch as pence and or Barr hand out pardons...
there has been some flooding of utility wells in my vicinity, leading to A shutdown of electric & all things bundled TV<Telephone & internet,
|
|
Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 07:00am PT
|
You probably got a virus in you computer. Better get to the doc pronto.
Did you run the text through a translator?
|
|
Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 07:08am PT
|
Yes I just did run the translation, Yikes, I recognize it as I said in the now corrected (previous) post
anyway,Happie, I'm glad to hear from you specifically.
I hope you are doing well.
We had to go use free wifi at a coffee shop,
so that might be whatever it is?
also, I was just speaking & thinking of you,
& how whatever actions you may or may not have taken?
have resulted in an end of my receiving the vile threats,
so if you did do something & that...
I won't post pictures or spell out the name.
Got to say though,
if what you (esty) did, is why I'm no longer getting crap from "said" guy?
Thank You!
|
|
Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 07:38am PT
|
Lorenzo, perhaps you’ve heard the term ‘everything is relative’? Well, it’s true in economics
as well as physics. The Supplemental Poverty Measure factors in cost of living, which might
not affect you, but it is very relevant for the poor. By that metric California is Numero Uno!
|
|
Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 09:08am PT
|
Gnome - I don't have that much power, that I can affect someone elses computer or stalker or whatever issue you were having.
|
|
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 09:12am PT
|
‘We’re talking’: McConnell and Schumer attempt to defuse shutdown
There’s growing hope that the longtime Senate operators can end the stalemate fueled by Trump’s border wall demands.
By BURGESS EVERETT 01/25/2019 05:01 AM EST Updated 01/25/2019 07:03 AM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/25/government-shutdown-mcconnell-schumer-talks-1125401
Chuck Schumer emerged from Mitch McConnell’s office after a 30-minute meeting on Thursday afternoon bearing a wide grin.
“We’re talking,” the Senate minority leader said as he walked back to his office.
After five weeks of mostly radio silence, with Washington reeling from the longest government shutdown in U.S. history, the two party leaders are finally in a room together. And it might be just what's needed to, eventually, end an impasse sparked by President Donald Trump's long-running quest for his border wall.
Baby steps.
Drop the insistence on his useless, selfish wall and let the talks begin on real immigration reform and border security.
|
|
Norton
climber
The Wastelands
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 09:26am PT
|
LaGuardia has stopped all outgoing flights due to too few flight controllers and TSA agents
delays spreading also now to JFK, Atlanta, Chicago, Boston, Newark, Philadelphia
 but we gotta stop those Mexicans....
|
|
EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 09:27am PT
|
Baby steps?
Pelosi cancelled the Friday session of Congress, giving members a “three-day weekend”.
|
|
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 09:44am PT
|
This just in....
Trump planning shutdown announcement
It wasn't immediately clear what the president might say, but the remarks come as lawmakers look for guidance on shutdown negotiations.
By JAKE SHERMAN, ANDREW RESTUCCIA, GABBY ORR and BURGESS EVERETT 01/25/2019 12:27 PM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/25/trump-shutdown-announcement-1125529
President Donald Trump is expected to make an announcement about the government shutdown early Friday afternoon, according to multiple administration and Capitol Hill sources.
It wasn't immediately clear what the president would announce, but the move comes as lawmakers of both parties are looking to the White House for guidance as they search for a way out of the 35-day partial shutdown.
**
A White House spokeswoman did not immediately respond to requests for comment. White House officials cautioned that the potential announcement was tentative.
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, who met with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Friday and spoke to Trump on Thursday, said a series of airport delays that have rippled across the country are “signs of things to come” during the shutdown. He’s been urging the president to endorse the idea of reopening the government to have a three-week immigration debate.
Airports are getting snarled, the economy is at risk, and public opinion polls are tanking for his wall (if not Trump's 2020 hopes). This could an interesting announcement.
|
|
Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 09:45am PT
|
...stopped all outgoing flights due to too few flight controllers and TSA agents
WWDS(What Will Donald Say): "We have great pilots. Tremendous pilots. These men can manage without the Budget-Sucking ATC badgering them at every turn."
Of course, in ALL CAPS.
But seriously, if this doesn't get Little Tyrant Trump to shut his mouth, take a seat, and let the federal employees get back to work, I can't imagine what will.
|
|
divad
Trad climber
wmass
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2019 - 10:12am PT
|
Nothing will end the shutdown quicker than the airlines shutting down..
|
|
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 11:13am PT
|
The talk is that Trump's announcement could include a plan for him to re-open the gov't for a short time to start talks on border security. That's a major reversal for him, but since his 'my way or GTFO' approach has failed miserably, he's prolly finally smelling the coffee.
Word is that once it's been re-opened, it would be tough to shut it down again (although the Debt Ceiling issue in March will provide another opportunity), so he may consider wielding the 'National Emergency' declaration as a cudgel.
Edit:
Trump plans shutdown announcement amid signs of a deal
The agreement would fund the government through Feb. 15 while negotiators work out a larger immigration and border security compromise, sources said.
By JAKE SHERMAN, ANDREW RESTUCCIA and BURGESS EVERETT 01/25/2019 12:27 PM EST Updated 01/25/2019 02:03 PM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/25/trump-shutdown-announcement-1125529
President Donald Trump is expected to announce an agreement to temporarily reopen the federal government after the longest shutdown in U.S. history, according to multiple people familiar with the tentative deal.
The agreement, which has been hashed out with congressional leaders, would fund the government through Feb. 15 while negotiators work out a larger immigration and border security compromise, the sources said. The deal does not include funding for the border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. White House aides and others close to the process cautioned that state of play remains fluid, adding that Trump has been known to change his mind at the last minute.
|
|
Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2019 - 11:34am PT
|
Trump Flinched!
Who'd have thunk the spoiled child president could back down.
So???? Will he now sulk for a while, over his defeat?
Or unleash a Terrific & Terrible Trumpian Tweetstorm?
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!