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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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Feb 23, 2018 - 12:22pm PT
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Just because a teacher has training to use a gun does not necessarily mean that they have the mental fortitude to do the right thing in a shooter situation.
I've been a teacher for 26 years, and the idea of arming teachers is idiotic. One of the teachers killed in Florida was trying to lock their classroom door when they were shot. We are told at my school to keep our classroom doors locked at all times, because even putting a key in a door in that kind of stressful situation (called a lockdown) is something that many teachers are not capable of doing. And now we're talking about giving the same people guns to protect kids???
For an armed teacher, to make all of the correct decisions to actually take out a shooter, just seems unlikely to me. What seems more likely is a response that ends up killing an innocent kid or teacher. I would never work in a school where the teachers are armed.
So Jody, since "it takes a good guy with a gun to take out a bad guy with a gun", why don't you and some of your NRA pals form vigilante groups and guard the outside of schools? Based on the amount of money you give to Republican politicians, the NRA obviously has the resources.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 23, 2018 - 12:38pm PT
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I can tell who watches the teevee...
Throw the thing out, it's a mind killer.
You can't control any simple commodity that is in demand in a country this massive and populous. It's that simple. Supply will always be there.
Doesn't matter if it's pistols, rifles, drugs, booze, whores, or whatever. You can buy a fully automatic mg on the street right now, today, for FAR less money illegally than you can legally. You could buy a kilo of coke from the same salesman.
Evil happens, every hour of every day around the world but maybe not in your backyard. So be as prepared for it as you can, or not. It's really your choice. Nobody will save you but you. More ink and paper won't change a thing.
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John M
climber
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Feb 23, 2018 - 12:40pm PT
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Thank you to the teachers who are speaking up. Maybe the solution of arming some teachers isn't very good and has its own difficulties, thats why I still support banning semi auto weapons.
As for controlling adrenaline, police officers have to learn how to do it. It requires a fair amount of training and on the job training, thats why I don't advocate for arming all teachers. But its still hard for me to imagine those teachers who recently died while protecting their students and not give them a chance to have a weapon. On the other hand, I also know a number of teachers who are great teachers, but who I wouldn't want to have a gun. My sister is one and she would agree. Its not a disrespect of her. Its just the way that it is. She doesn't have the temperament.
I also support giving schools better access to mental health care for students.
What a difficult situation. Its hard for me to imagine being a teacher today. I don't believe that I would be daily scared, but it would concern me.
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More ink and paper won't change a thing.
Completely false. Laws slow down many many evils. They may not stop them, but they do slow them down.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 23, 2018 - 02:54pm PT
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These little f*#king turds like the sandy hook and this columbines and the Florida kid need to see real punishments. Not the PC TYPE cell for life sh#t. I’m talking walking the yard everyday getting your ass beat on a regular basis followed up by showers full of ass pounding criminals using them for the ass toy they will always be.
That wouldn't make the slightest difference to the shooters who kill themselves, which is very common (see Columbine and Sandy Hook, although not what happened in FL recently).
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 23, 2018 - 02:58pm PT
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So, Australia did it all wrong?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Feb 23, 2018 - 03:03pm PT
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I can just imagine 23 right-47-left-36 right "click". Meanwhile an AR-15 being discharged at what 100 bullets per minute?
So, in theory the "other" teachers and their children could open the safe and get to a stashed gun to maybe shoot the killer if he breaks into their classrooms
because they will hear the gunshots down the hall
but that does nothing to stop the "first" classroom from being slaughtered, does it?
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We all know that there is only one pretty sure way to greatly mitigate the likely hood of more Sandy Hooks, Las Vegas, etc etc.
and that is to pass a Federal law like Norway, Japan, Australia did
 outlawing the manufacture and sale of an entire class of non hunting rifle/handgun weapons like AK47's and AR15's, etc - and ordering all non police/office security citizens to turn them into their local authorities, with or without a payment program, and going door to door to root them out by force if necessary, nothing else will mitigate future slaughters
forget the ineffective increasing background checks and "better mental health checks"
being able to buy any weapon right out of your local newspaper or from a neighbor defeats those ideas
it may take another 20 or 50 years of increasing mass murders for the public to say enough
but at some point there will be enough anger and will to take such drastic action as above
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Feb 23, 2018 - 03:49pm PT
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Banning all semi-auto weapons is a non-starter. There are probably over 100 million semi-auto weapons in this country--pistols, shotguns, rifles. I think the total # of guns is over 300 million, so that 100 mill could easily be low. Semi-auto is probably the most popular design. And, of course, the overwhelming majority are never used in crimes. What's the population of Australia, about that of Cali? I think the linked article below is always worth re-reading when this topic comes up. The woman is liberal and strong anti-gun, but came away with the understanding that there is little we can do with policy. I couldn't get access to the main article (WaPo), which is linked in this piece. Check it out:
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/statistician-rethinks-gun-control-after-digging-data
I think mostly this points to how difficult the problem is to handle. One thing that would help but that can never happen is a news blackout for all mass shootings. The more they are broadcast, the more "permission" useless sacks of sh*t get to do the same thing. In the age of the internet, we can feed our sick psyches on a constant diet of crap.
BAd
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Feb 23, 2018 - 04:20pm PT
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Talk of ending American intervention was also a non-starter when George Bush landed on that aircraft carrier- "Mission Accomplished!". His approval ratings at the time were near 80% and much of America was very busy congratulating itself.
When enough American troops came home psychologically damaged, with missing body parts or in pine boxes, attitudes changed on a dime.
The proliferation of gun violence and the epidemic of those affected will have the NRA in corner due to simple contact math. It's very sad that so much blood is required to arrive at the inevitable and what is obviously the right outcome.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 23, 2018 - 04:38pm PT
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Damn, people, WTFU!!!
Yes Moose, an amazing, incredible show of logic by Trump and others, eh?
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Feb 23, 2018 - 04:48pm PT
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Fast Times at Ridgemont High Noon
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Feb 23, 2018 - 04:58pm PT
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Interpret the Second Amendment as it was originally intended.
we just defeated England and King George, yippie !
and in order to make sure we need to defeat him again, or any other foreign country, we need to insure that enough of our people have black powder single shot muskets available and can fairly quickly get together (we will call these groups - Militias), for training (regulated) in case we need them in the future
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 23, 2018 - 05:07pm PT
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Rust never sleeps. Stop the sell of anything but bolt action single shot rifles for hunting. It might take two hundred years, but eventually the problem will solve itself.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Feb 23, 2018 - 05:18pm PT
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Banning all semi-auto weapons is a non-starter. There are probably over 100 million semi-auto weapons in this country--pistols, shotguns, rifles. I think the total # of guns is over 300 million, so that 100 mill could easily be low. Semi-auto is probably the most popular design. And, of course, the overwhelming majority are never used in crimes.
Why do they have to be confiscated from anyone, we've wasted 80 years, what's the rush? Ban the sale or transfer of all semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines, or fixed magazines with over five or ten rounds. Exclusions for current or former military and police. Estate executors to surrender or firearms on death of owners. It'll take 30 or 40 years, but we'll get there.
More urgently, universal background checks.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Feb 23, 2018 - 05:35pm PT
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...turn them into their local authorities, with or without a payment program, and going door to door to root them out by force if necessary
Is Norton a Russian bot, fomenting discord in the social media? Does he climb? Does anyone know who he/it is? Just curious. Probably not worth the effort. Sorry, Norton, if you are a genuine and concerned old guy.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Feb 23, 2018 - 05:40pm PT
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OK. That clarifies.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 23, 2018 - 07:57pm PT
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While the numbers of people killed in mass shootings (schools in particular) may be statistically low, I don't doubt that the VAST majority of students currently attending school have had at least SOME thought about the potential for it happening in their school, to their friends, and even to them.
That has an effect.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 23, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
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I don't know this Norton guy but he comes across like an angry , whacked out libtard....? rj
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Feb 23, 2018 - 09:06pm PT
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I disagree with Norton's opinion to remove the semi automatic rifle from American society
can you copy and paste Norton's words quoting the removal of the "semi automatic"?
or was he talking specifically about fully automatics, even using words "AK47, AR15" ?
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right now for the first time "thoughts and prayers" are being mocked
"tough background checks", money for mental health, etc etc
you know its just lip service, you could stop the manufacture and sale of full automatics
but you can't do anything about the millions already out there just ready to be used
yes you can, but only when the anger and slaughter reach the point when people say that's enough
it may take 50 years but at some point you order them turned in or you go get them
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Feb 23, 2018 - 09:20pm PT
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you stop the manufacture and sale of full automatics
How can anyone disagree with this?
you order them [AK47 semi auto types?] turned in or you go get them
I'm guessing this Branch Davidian-type approach would result in bloodshed far exceeding school massacres. But I can anticipate your counter argument in this regard.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 23, 2018 - 09:30pm PT
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I bet most of the paranoid assault gun owners that fantasize about a big shoot out with the US government are painty waists to begin with and dont have the stomach to die defending their 2nd amendment rights...Pussy's...!!!
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