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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 15, 2017 - 09:39am PT
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Buying individual lift tickets at regular price is ridiculous. Most of the bigger resorts here are over $100/day, with many over $120. It's become a sport really only for the rich or the locals that get passes.
Mammoth season pass can be had for 700 bucks, good at Mammoth, June, Big Bear and Bear Mt. you get 5 half price tickets with it for your friends that do not have a season pass, and a killer free breakfast once a month at early-ups. Gotta buy it at the end of the prior season.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 15, 2017 - 09:50am PT
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Ekat....try $180.00 for a lift ticket...I was in brians and he was giving me the low down...Rusty's reverse psychology is that by chraging dynamic prices it rewards the people that ski mid week when a lift ticket is $99.00....Of course most people have to work mid-week so they end up getting hosed by the dynamic pyramid scheme....The sheet has an article on it from a few weeks ago...Dynamic pricing has been around for a long time...It used to be called gouging...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 15, 2017 - 10:46am PT
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Strangling the goose that layed the golden egg....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 15, 2017 - 10:52am PT
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Actually, I rather doubt that $150 tickets are much more pricey than $25 tickets were if
adjusted for inflation. That said, there should be Locals Only pricing, you know, like ya
gotta present yer trash collection bill, or local medical pot card.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jan 15, 2017 - 11:10am PT
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Its only expensive if you pay for it. Anybody can put any level of price on something, its getting someone to ante up for it that's the real trick.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 15, 2017 - 11:14am PT
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Reilly...Valid point on the inflation remark...? Damn you...I think the $700.00 season pass is the locals only option and i think there are restrictions on which days the pass are usable..? but who in their right mind would want to ski Mammoth Mt. on a weekend...? Maybe the people wearing $900.00 dollar wind breakers...? rj
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jan 15, 2017 - 11:24am PT
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F... Joey's... ? LOL...In Tahoe they're called Gapers... $900.00 worth of those skins could almost make a nice one piece jump suit...Much more trendy than an Acertyx wind shell..
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seano
Mountain climber
none
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Jan 15, 2017 - 12:12pm PT
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The inflation argument is BS. At 2% inflation, $25 30 years ago is $45.28 now. Back then, resort skiing was affordable for a frugal individual or upper-middle-class family. Now, it's obscene. I still remember how much fun it was to do dozens of laps a day, but it's just not worth the obscene cost anymore.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 15, 2017 - 12:20pm PT
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seano, yer numbers aren't even close. Granted, ski tickets have probably outpaced the core
inflation rate but not by that much. And even if they're 50% higher so are a lot of luxuries
that aren't staples. That's why it's called discretionary spending. ;-)
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 15, 2017 - 01:05pm PT
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i think there are restrictions on which days the pass are usable..?
no black-out dates. Average weekends are not bad at Mammoth if you ski the top half. I do not go near the mountain on holidays. Ski seven days and it is paid for
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 15, 2017 - 07:44pm PT
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The US Bureau of Labor Statistics says that $25 bought the same goods and services in 1970 as $155 bought in 2016.
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GuapoVino
climber
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Jan 16, 2017 - 11:36am PT
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I've gotten to where it pains me to pay retail for anything. Most most recent ski jacket purchase (an Arcteryx shell) was bought used on eBay. I've bought quite a bit of stuff in eBay. Lots of close out and 2nds online. My last pair of skis were new but two years old. About 1/4 of what they cost new. Good enough for me.
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Peater
Trad climber
Salt Lake City Ut.
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Jan 16, 2017 - 11:28pm PT
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GCF
**I have not seen issues with oil contamination on recent gore product -this for sure was an issue in the past as you have noted.
With regard to laminates and or breathable coatings, one of the core issues are the face-fabrics choosen. Most are shite.....
Pick a tighly woven flat filament yarn for starters.**.
Our industry is fixated with Nylon when Polyester is a much better choice. Poly is much easier to laminate, it doesn't absorb moisture like nylon, it's lighter, more UF resistant and it's less expensive. But I think that consumers don't get it and think Nylon is the best. So that's what Mfg's use. The sailing industry only uses Poly. for their ropes and sails.
As far as the Tech which is mostly done in Asia, if they just keep their fabric rollers smooth and super clean and the laminating environment controlled ie: temp, humidity, air borne contaminants they could make some really good stuff. But I don't think the US Mfgs know to ask for that.
Still love eVent fabric because of their lamination tech.
BTW GCF I'm enjoying discussing this with you.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Jan 17, 2017 - 02:30pm PT
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NA-assembled Westcomb eVent stuff bought on closeout has done really well for me & spouse. I haven't used GT Pro but this stuff outperforms any GT product I used previously.
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Peater
Trad climber
Salt Lake City Ut.
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Jan 17, 2017 - 09:19pm PT
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GCF and welcome Spiny for chiming in
Designers want to make it look pretty, Developers just want to get it done. (gross generalization here but it is true)
I've worked in Mfg mostly and development the rest. A good combo for me.
It is frustrating when you tell the designer that this can't be done yet. Maybe later we can have no seams on this (non garment). I know it can be done with fabric molding but just not yet. On the other hand I show them something I invented and they say "Oh that's just what I envisioned". Oh please.
Back to Tech fabrics: The inside of tech fabrics should be laminated with a wicking material so that it can spread moisture faster over the surface, go figure, and let it pass quicker. No garment Mfg does this to my knowledge.
Seam sealed garments are a diamond mine for improvements. I know a lot has been done by some brands for weight and volume but not for function. (some may call me on this as I haven't really looked for a bit).
Teijin is awesome but their minimums are so high that all but the few could use them.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Jan 17, 2017 - 10:53pm PT
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seano, yer numbers aren't even close.
Huh? They look pretty good to me.
I think the reason that ski jackets are so expensive is because they have high tech fabrics that are resistant to cocaine and vodka, and which look good in selfies.
(interest compounded daily - added at the end of each day)
Year Year Interest Total Interest Balance
1 $0.51 $0.51 $25.51
2 $0.52 $1.02 $26.02
3 $0.53 $1.55 $26.55
4 $0.54 $2.08 $27.08
5 $0.55 $2.63 $27.63
6 $0.56 $3.19 $28.19
7 $0.57 $3.76 $28.76
8 $0.58 $4.34 $29.34
9 $0.59 $4.93 $29.93
10 $0.60 $5.53 $30.53
11 $0.62 $6.15 $31.15
12 $0.63 $6.78 $31.78
13 $0.64 $7.42 $32.42
14 $0.65 $8.08 $33.08
15 $0.67 $8.75 $33.75
16 $0.68 $9.43 $34.43
17 $0.70 $10.12 $35.12
18 $0.71 $10.83 $35.83
19 $0.72 $11.56 $36.56
20 $0.74 $12.30 $37.30
21 $0.75 $13.05 $38.05
22 $0.77 $13.82 $38.82
23 $0.78 $14.60 $39.60
24 $0.80 $15.40 $40.40
25 $0.82 $16.22 $41.22
26 $0.83 $17.05 $42.05
27 $0.85 $17.90 $42.90
28 $0.87 $18.77 $43.77
29 $0.88 $19.65 $44.65
30 $0.90 $20.55 $45.55
Standard CalculationBase amount: $25.00
Interest Rate: 2%
Effective Annual Rate: 2.02%
Calculation period: 30 years « amend figures
Now, it took me a while to do all those computations and type this sh#t in, so I may have made some mistakes ot typos. But my numbers agree pretty well with Seanos.
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Peater
Trad climber
Salt Lake City Ut.
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Jan 20, 2017 - 10:46pm PT
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George, I should have known it was you but I don't know anybody here.
P
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Gimp
Trad climber
Missoula, MT & "Pourland", OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2017 - 11:48am PT
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Have been looking since I posted this (my first actually) for what the average garment worker makes in Asia where most of these garments are made.
Surprisingly hard for at least me to find.
Did find this apparent tweet about this:
May 17, 2013, 4:36 PM.
SR.
Average hourly wage for garment workers: Bangladesh $0.24, Cambodia $0.45, Pakistan $0.52, Vietnam $0.53, China $1.26, tweets EurasiaGroup President Ian Bremmer.May 17, 2013
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