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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Yes, if it means we stop pouring money into the dead-ends that we currently are dumping taxpayer dollars into. America can still lead.
"Is baking soda the answer to acid reflux?"
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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"The disconnect from natural systems is profound" Totally agree. This is the beauty of the 10,000 year rule and human physical resilience
"We've broken the earth" You're speeding towards a guard-rail on a cliff-edge road. Do you hit the brakes or the gas?
"It doesn't and it won't" Well sh#t man, let's go bowling. No need to feel so bad about it, I suppose.
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snagglepuss
Mountain climber
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Quitter's never get anything done. Lead, follow, or get out of the way! So many quit because it seems hard.
Our generation can be the one to go down in history as the one that started the change. It took 150 years to create the problem. It will not be fixed by a single generation. We can start to fix it, that is all. But that start is huge! Everything starts by starting.
Stop worrying about fixing it - you can't. All we can do is start to fix it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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DMT, the wife may not take kindly to hearing that she is wasting her time curing her patients.
I, for one, am pretty damn glad I never got polio or smallpox, but maybe that's just me.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jody, your fear-mongering makes me want to accept your control.
You vote Johnson? I wish I'd had the balls to get away from those damn major parties.
I sure am in favor nuclear power. Certainly not the case for everyone.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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^indeed, the very traits that helped us make it to today cause the worst problems that we face.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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America was only the self-styled "leader" of a bloc of power seeking to undermine the power of another bloc of nations seeking to do the same to our bloc.
WE are not the leader, never have been. It's just our ego being fed by the media, the efforts of the powers-that-be to keep us happy and misled.
I wish I could set up a popcorn stand here.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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This is an interesting iteration of my "F*#k it dude, let's go bowling" approach. Your attitude is the same as that in the Chinese smelters, that of the biggest polluters in Asia. It's the "I'm getting mine, f*#k the commons, and f*#k you" strategy. It works. For you.
Yikes! Bravecowboy's got his danders up.
If the governments of the World come up with a program to reduce CO2 levels... one that might actually work... I'll do what's asked. Gladly.
Until I'm asked to do something towards that end, I'm not going to worry about it.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jody - You tell us that "they" are trying to control us. You encourage me to abandon my beliefs. It makes me feel like you are trying to control me. I can see how you might feel the same, especially when the most strident of my camp are preaching at you.
It is tough for me, to cast a vote for a Giant Turd. I suppose that this is the nature of shared human existence in a cooperative society.
And yes, EdwardT, time for me to GTFO here and get un-dandered in the Ponderosa-perfumed nirvana of our world. I hear your point. Go bowling!
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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I think it's because people are callous to the cry for change.
In the 1970's we were supposed to be headed into an ice age, in the 1980's we had the hole in the ozone, in the late 90's-into the 2000's we had global warming and rising ocean levels. Now it's climate change. I think the average person has just become immune.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Cowboy, being a geographer probably explains why I paid big bucks for a copy of The Rolling
Stones' "Sympathy For Thomas Maslow". Most people haven't heard it but it ROCKS!
And I prefer Bocce cause it's played outside.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Just finished watching NatGEo's Before the Flood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90CkXVF-Q8M
I'd encourage you to watch it with an open mind if possible and then come back to discuss. Stick with it to the end.
I doubt many of you will but I remain optimistic.
If nothing else there is plenty of material to give pause for thought no matter which side of the "aisle" you're on.
cheers
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WBraun
climber
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In the 1970's we were supposed to be headed into an ice age,
in the 1980's we had the hole in the ozone,
in the late 90's-into the 2000's we had global warming and rising ocean levels.
Now it's climate change.
I think the average person has just become immune.
Yes 100% true.
50 years ago people were shocked when crime, killing, murders or shootings in their neighborhoods.
Now they are immune as it occurs every day as seemingly normal.
Also you see bars on homes and security apparatuses everywhere in residential neighborhoods you've never seen back then.
America is brainwashed into drooling sheep ......
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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IT is all about controlling the people based on fraud.
Fortunately, not many of us live in Jody's flat, 6,000 year-old world.
Curt
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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It's pretty hard fighting climate change when a monopoly of oil corporations own our politicians...What was that story about Exxon publishing fake science to help squelch climate change science...? Why would Exxon do that if climate change wasn't real...?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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.What was that story about Exxon publishing fake science to help squelch climate change science...?
Alarmist propaganda.
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c wilmot
climber
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Perhaps its because rich actors who have massive carbon footprints jetsetting around the world to make a for profit TV show while lecturing the peasant masses about climate change is a poor way to inform the public about the problem. How much pollution does Leo cause making his movies?
Its a good thing we have a guy like this around. What on earth would we do without him?
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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(10) your government is corrupt and incompetent
Not true at all. They are indeed corrupt but they are doing a great job at what they intend to do; misinformation, fear mongering, etc.
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Jon Nelson
Boulder climber
Bellingham, WA
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Part of the answer may be that it is a very slow change, and a change that is hard for us to detect with our senses due to the much larger diurnal and seasonal temperature fluctuations.
Going slightly off on a tangent, I also think that people have little sense about how profound an effect that greenhouse gases have on our daily temperature.
The textbooks and probably nearly all websites will say that the overall effect of these gases is to raise our average surface temperature by 30 C (54 F). But some researchers recently calculated the average surface temperature of the moon, which is essentially a model of the Earth without an atmosphere, and found a big flaw in how previous people did the average. Turns out the average surface temperature of the moon is a whopping 90 C (162 F) degrees colder. And the diurnal fluctuation is about 300 C. Greenhouse gases have a gigantic effect on us.
Think about that next time you see the moon.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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IT is all about controlling the people based on fraud.
You mean the global warming hoax hoax? That fraud? (perpetrated with the same methods and by a lot of the same organizations that claimed cigarette smoking is just fine and freon wasn't destroying the ozone layer).
It's telling that the argument against global warming being a problem is "it's a liberal conspiracy to control us" not "here's the problems in the science, or hear is an alternative scientifically sound view of the data".
It's science. It doesn't say for certain what is happening (especially with a hugely complex system like the climate). But when you see carbon dioxide in the air (a greenhouse gas) is rising to WAY more than it's been for thousands of years, coinciding with the average global temperature going up you should be concerned.
Now the results of that are tough to predict. So IMO we shouldn't make drastic government imposed changes to our lifestyles that will significantly impact millions of people. But to buy into the BS (from the petroleum industry, etc) that it's not even happening is willful delusion.
People don't want their lifestyles impacted. Especially when the negative effects of global warming will mainly be on others. The first people to really suffer will be islanders on low level islands over the next couple decades. Then toward the latter half of this century coastal areas in America will have to deal with rising sea levels. Then our children will all start paying more for food, healthcare, etc. due the effects. Of course this is all projection, but that is what is likely to happen. We should at least be concerned about it and doing whatever we can to minimize the affects without really impacting our lifestyles (e.g. switching to renewable energy as much as possible). And everyone can do their part by being efficient with their energy use. e.g. put on a sweater, and keep the heater down. Without significantly impacting their life.
Who knows what will happen hundreds of years from now. When our children's' children will inherit the Earth. It's not about saving the planet, it's about leaving the planet in decent shape for them. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. But than again future technologies may help them limit of reverse the impacts, so I'm not one to say we have to eliminate all global warming right now.
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