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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 18, 2016 - 02:56pm PT
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No breath holding....hell, can't even get the cables off of Half Dome and that's in a (so called) wilderness area.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jul 18, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
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I think you are far too impressed with Disneyland Trust me. Definitely not the case. The Mouse and I have history. It's just that it doesn't purport to be anything but a big cash, sucking tourist factory. If the Valley should be so forthright.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 18, 2016 - 03:13pm PT
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Hush now, the valley is geared to the masses....they've even kept some of the smaller rooms in the Awahnee down in the $400 range.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 18, 2016 - 03:14pm PT
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Wilderness, that's rich. There's a full blown airport on the Kahiltna.
The Park Service is so hypocritical.
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norm larson
climber
wilson, wyoming
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Jul 18, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
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It's not just Yosemite. Try going to about any National Park these days. The Teton and Yellowstone parks are beyond crowded. Too much available information out there for everyone these days. Kill your computer! kill the Internet!
Good comment about the Kahiltna.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 18, 2016 - 03:30pm PT
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Then do it without the efin' pizza, MooseSushi.
Hating the concessionaire is de rigeur if you wanna be a Valley Climber.
Ignoring the crowds and just doing your thing is another important trait.
Fleeing from the Valley for the Meadows for the crowded summer used to be the way to avoid this plague, but it reached the Meadows regardless.
Now all we can do is reminisce and bitch about things.
It will be interesting to see what's happening in another forty or so years, but I'll no longer be interested.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 18, 2016 - 03:51pm PT
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Very difficult to imagine the move to no cars.
BTW, there are no cars in Disneyland!
Problem is, everyone has their issue to protect. Take this thread, for example. Everybody else has to give up their access, but we'll have tent camping (gosh, why would climbers want that?), and unlimited climbing access.
I say, get it all out. by far the best transportation would be monorail....can be built without closing everything, can see around, satisfying many tourists, allows removal of roads.
It'll never happen.
If Disney were running the show, it could. Usage would triple, but it wouldn't be a strain.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver CO
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Jul 18, 2016 - 06:39pm PT
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In Rocky Mtn National Park the concessions are outside the park, on the edge of it in the town of Estes Park. It's like the street of restaurants and bars you find next to a college campus. Its fun to go there but not part of the park itself.
Just imagine what Yosemite Valley would be like with no hotels or concessions. Or buildings. Also should reduce parking inside the valley. Take the bus with your haulbag of climbing and camping gear. The other tourons can take the same bus and get off three times to pose for pictures in front of Bridleveil Falls, etc. then complete loop back to El Portal. Should take no more than 2 hours per tourist if there are no restaurants for them to stop at.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jul 18, 2016 - 07:24pm PT
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If Disney were running the show, it could. Usage would triple, but it wouldn't be a strain.
so would the price to get in
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 18, 2016 - 09:19pm PT
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Tear out all the man-made stuff and shut down the park to all humans except John Muir and Walt Disney for a 25 year moratorium period. Solicit public solutions from the public in the interim.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 19, 2016 - 02:24am PT
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Or we can climb in the eleventy billion other areas of spectacular rock in this state and country.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 19, 2016 - 07:03am PT
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Dam it......at 4,000 ft. The lake water should warm sufficiently to support an excellent bass fisherie. Additionally, there would be good deep water soloing over by the Catherdral Rocks.,
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 19, 2016 - 07:07am PT
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the jet ski capacity would be HUGE!!
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 07:10am PT
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On the drive to climb on Sunday I was describing the former River Campgrounds to my partners. JC, a geologist, descibed booking a cabin at Curry next to the rock fall.
Between the geological and floodplain hazards, a modern report would likely deem zero square footage of the Valley floor suitable for development.
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Byran
climber
Half Dome Village
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
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There's how many bigwall destinations out there that require backcountry logistics and basecamps? But I only know of one in the whole world where you can go summit to pizza deck in an hour. And you bastards want to take that away? Why can't you just go climbing at Cochamo instead? Or if that's too far and you don't have a passport, how about Hetch Hetchy?
If it was up to me, I'd create a bunch more parking (probably some multistory garages) and redesign the road system to facilitate traffic flow. None of this "day-use lot" across the street from the Village or the Lodge parking right across the street from Lower Falls. There'd be things like traffic lights and pedestrian footbridges with gates lining the sides of the roads where idiots usually try to cross (like they have on Las Vegas Blvd). I'd also greatly increase lodging by creating a couple dormitory-style hotels with tiny budget-priced rooms and shared bathrooms on each floor. There'd be a ban on campfires, which sucks I know, I like having campfires too; but I'd give that up to have better air quality. Maybe there could be a couple "community" fire pits at each campground. And El Cap bridge would have a taco truck and a restroom.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:56pm PT
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Yep might as well go with the full-on Vegas design Style. climbing can be a crapshoot anyway yeah?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 01:12pm PT
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Byran, a bar on top of El Cap was on my wish list.
At least if Disneyland caught on fire the masses could escape. Does YPS have an evacuation plan? If a strong easterly wind was ripping, they would have 10 minutes to execute it.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 24, 2016 - 06:54am PT
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Yellowstone and beyond: Are the national parks being loved to death?
Last year, Yellowstone hit more than 4 million visits for the first time in history. It is poised to significantly surpass those numbers in 2016, the centennial year of the National Park Service. But behind all those cars and tour buses in the land of lodgepole pine looms a fundamental question: Is such soaring popularity good or bad for Yellowstone – and, more broadly, for the national park system as a whole? Can America’s outdoor crown jewels survive unmarred for another 100 years?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2016/0724/Yellowstone-and-beyond-
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jul 24, 2016 - 07:35am PT
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Can America’s outdoor crown jewels survive unmarred for another 100 years?
That ship has already sailed.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 24, 2016 - 12:13pm PT
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Wasn't Yosemite - at least from the early 1960s onward - sort of like Disneyland already? When I was a 'boy', the tourists used to through their garbage right out the window as they drove past El Cap Meadows. It isn't quite that conspicuous-consumption these days.
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