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Flip Flop
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Feminism has a branding problem. It's about as sensible as masculinism. I'm not sure what other sexisms exist besides masculinism and feminism but I'm not a supporter.
We already have a great term called 'equality'. I suggest that activists use that term if they want to include men.
I called myself a feminist when I was young and less experienced. I won't embrace the term. Sorry. The term is divisive.
In the spirit of equality I'd like to offer the following crass joke:
"Why do women fake orgasms?"
"Because they think we f*#king care."
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Good post Flip.
How do you know when a woman fakes an orgasm?
Woah, DMT, sounds like you have some experience with that.
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Warbler - probably the same reasons that men fake things in general.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Hey, I get the moral superiority thing, but it is getting old,
at least until I see my first female plumber.
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Happiegrrrl2
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Wowzie, the anger and bile is a beginning to rise...
Feminism does not, never has, said that men and women are exactly the same. Of COURSE there are personal traits that are more masculine and/or feminine. But then, when you start really looking at that, you can see that a person with a male or female body has varying levels of both masculine and feminine traits. It's not an all or nothing order.
Why women aren't required to register for Selected Services... Probably dates back to being that the draft was instated back in a time when women were legally viewed as their husband's property. I have the feeling that if a bill was put forth today that women over 18 should also register, that it would make it's way into law.
But before that happens, it would be nice if the military can convince their "men" that it is not acceptable to harass, molest and rape their female co-soldiers and deal appropriately with those who don't seem to be able to follow the rules.
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I see a civil discussion so far Happie, not a lot of anger and bile.... A few good jokes too.
Yes, there is a culture of rape and abuse in the f-Ed up military. The men in the military have to live in that culture too.
I think before someone starts marching on DC and writing books about how unfair it is that cubicle pukes with a WEINER make more money than cubicle pukes with a vagina, they should first address the legislation that mandates that men are the only legal cannon fodder the govt can call up when they start an, ahem, false flag crankloon oil war....
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Happiegrrrl2
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I don't know what it takes to get something into law, but in a simple Google search, I found plenty of information. Here's one link, that is reader-friendly: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/how-why/step-step-guide
If someone feels strongly that women must register for selective services before they deserve equal pay, go for it.
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HighDesertDJ
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Flipflop posted Feminism has a branding problem. It's about as sensible as masculinism. I'm not sure what other sexisms exist besides masculinism and feminism but I'm not a supporter.
We already have a great term called 'equality'. I suggest that activists use that term if they want to include men.
I called myself a feminist when I was young and less experienced. I won't embrace the term. Sorry. The term is divisive.
This is literally an "All Lives Matter" argument. You're saying that "feminism" is divisive because it dares focus on the lack of the equality that you think is such a great term. Why are you even focusing on the term? You can embrace the message without labeling yourself a "feminist." Nobody will care. If you really care about equality then post about equality instead of labels.
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HighDesertDJ
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There WAS, a lack of equality, particularly in the workplace, when the term was coined. Women have more than made up for that.
The draft is a perfect litmus test for equality. Combat, and the drive to kill, destroy, and conquer, highlights the inequalities between men and women better than just about anything.
And racism is over because we have a black president.
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rbord
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atlanta
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I thought the balls/pussy dichotomy was more about bravery and lack of bravery than about toughness and weakness.
We have incomplete information about reality so we've developed helpful heuristics, like that men are brave and women are fearful, but we're psychologically fragile and need to constantly reassure ourselves that we're right about whatever heuristic we've been taught to believe. Praise Jesus!
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Flip Flop
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Earth Planet, Universe
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I love when people speak for me.
I can talk about equality but you won't like that either. The best example of feminism in the USA today is Family Court where women are given custody 85% of the time.
Try to grasp this:
I support equality.
Feminism is sexism.
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Craig Fry
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I'm a feminist, I believe that women should have equality in every way.
They make up ~50% of the population, they should have the same rights as the other 50%, no questions asked.
And they should have special women privileges, why not?
Their life should be just as privileged as us white males have.
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Flip Flop
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Earth Planet, Universe
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Recent statistics show a hiring preference for women and income parity in most jobs requiring degrees.
Conversely, men are the victims of 90+% of workplace fatalities. The jobs that are known as 3D (Difficult, Dirty and Dangerous) are almost entirely performed by men.
For millennia, Men and Women have made great teammates. That's the longest story. I don't oppress women and neither do the men that I know. Do you? Did your Father? Your brother? Your grandfather? Would your grandmother agree?
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HighDesertDJ
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The Warbler posted I agree they should have equal rights, but special privileges?
Like what?
And what special privileges do men have?
Am I missing out on something?
Yes, you're missing something. There is a wealth of non-inflammatory writing about women's issues in book and internet forms. Utilize it.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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One Privilege that they don't get is Respect.
Talking about blow jobs is the exact opposite of respect when it comes to talking about these issues.
Most others have to do with their biology, give them the time off they need, give them the Doctors they need, give them free birth control and other basic needs.
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Flip Flop
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Earth Planet, Universe
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A note: I'm not hostile to feminism. I do honestly think that when equality is reached it won't be called feminism. I support the cause of equality and I hope that our allies will choose a more inclusive term than 'feminism'. ( it's a 'trigger word' and alienates many sensible human beings).
Hi Warbler, you seem sensible. I've enjoyed challenging mainstream liberal sacred cows. Here's why. They represent the system and are conservative without knowing it.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2016 - 10:14am PT
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Flip-Flop, I understand your thinking. I agree on your opinion it won't be called feminism, when we're there.
Reilly, you haven't met a female plumber? Maybe you're in the wrong business. I've met several. Maybe because I'm in the right business to meet plumbers.
Warbler, there still IS a lack of equality, particularly in the workplace.
And, about disrespect. You don't have to go far. Start with Supertopo. (Yeah, Locker!) The saying "Walk a mile in my shoes" has a great point.
The jokes - for each and every one, there's always a counterjoke. They're rather boring. They're not really jokes, but hidden barbs.
 What’s the difference between a clitoris and a golf ball?
A man will actually look for a golf ball.
F. You'll learn too.
Craig Fry, cheers.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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"Why do women fake orgasms?"
I've done it...
Ever have a tinder date go south?
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What am I going to learn, Lollie?
What a clitoris is?
Or why women fake orgasms?
Are you subtly inferring that ALL men at some point will have a woman fake an orgasm?
That, if the case, would be a rather misandric assumption.
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